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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

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Did you see the U-tube video of an everyday driver getting the L4 stuck during a off road demonstration. It didn't have enough power to get out of a jam. Looked embarrasing to the L4 staff on hand. Didn't seem to be that off road capable to me

How much MT advertising do you think L4 marketing had to purchase in order to get a favorable review?
Just because there's a video of an LR4 getting stuck offroad doesn't mean that it's not an off-road capable vehicle. Search YouTube and you can find a video of ANY vehicle getting stuck. The LR4 is one of the most offroad capable vehicles you can buy today, but you can still get one stuck if you really try.
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Wife has a Q5 2.0T and she loves it (I like it too) - averages around 27mpg. I recently took it in for its first scheduled service and was given a Q7 TDI as a loaner. I'm sorry, but that thing was a turtle!! I was very disappointed with the acceleration. I too liked the looks of the Q7 when it first came out, but compared to the Q5, the Q7 look more mini-vanny to me.

Sounds like off-roading and/ or snow capability is your biggest concern - definitely would go the GC route for that. Unless you take a Q7 and throw some knobbies on it!
My wife also has a Q5 and couldn't be happier with it. Very much agree on the Q7 being a bit of a pig.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

Can almost guarantee you that the LR4 getting stuck was due to operator error. I could be wrong though. No vehicle is invincible off road. I have the 2011 LR4. It's a great truck. Test drove the Overland 2x and it's a miracle I didn't sign and drive away with it. Loved everything about it. We needed a bit more room than what the Overland provided and more importantly... wife wanted the LR. Parents just bought 2012 Overland. So jealous!!
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At that price point I'd start looking at the Toyota Landcruiser again!
I gotcha, good points. However, $76K for a Toyota Land Cruiser would get you a really nice Land Rover.

Land Cruiser: Ugly (subjective, of course), yet bulletproof.
JGC: Good looking, capable, cheap (in comparison). Heck, you could get the SRT with the great (Audi rip-off) interior. Best of both worlds!
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Let's hope it is a case of drinking and posting. Otherwise, his command of the English language makes me think the quality issues he has with the JGC should be #100 on his list.
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People post from all over the world on here, and English might not be their 1st or even 2nd language. Give the guy a break.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

To me the Q7 always looks like a big bath tub. No thanks.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

Disclaimer, my wife owned a Q7 4.2 petrol (I say this as they also offer a 4.2 diesel overseas) but she wanted out of the SUV and opted for an A4. I purchased WK2 Overland w/ the Hemi to serve as the family hauler. So I do have experiences with both vehicles.

Overall the technology available in the Q7 is above that in the WK2. Some examples include multi-zone temperature control, adaptive headlights, higher res nav display, power mirrors, 8-speed auto, front and rear parking sensors to name a few. The interior materials and overall execution is a step up. Consider the first model was released in 2007.

Dry weather performance, when considering all aspects such as braking, powertrain and steering would favor the Q7. The diesel is slow due to the slow build-up of the turbo. Itís strength is the ability to pull (roughly 425 ft/lb) and return good fuel economy. However the real gem is the 3.0T, faster than the Hemi and returns better gas mileage.

Off-roading, if needed, hands-down the WK2 is the clear choice (when comparing the two). The Q7 is available with the air suspension but it doesn't have the low range or torque distribution control.

Styling is very subjective. We had the Q7 S-Line version which really makes a difference in the appearance both inside and out. This is rare and seldom found on a dealerís lot. I do like the styling of the Wk2 but would prefer less chrome bits. That's just my taste. Other owners I know feel differently but it comes down to personal choice.

The Q7 would better compare to the Durango for seating capacity and cargo space. The WK2 directly competes with the RX, X5 and Touareg. Picking one comes down to priorities and $$$. The strength of WK2 is the value proposition of enough content, quality at a reasonable price. However, you may want to look at the other brands before pulling the trigger. Not saying the others are better but just to provide an honest evaluation.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

Coming from a Touareg and doing most of the maintenance on it myself I can see where the Jeep has the edge in pricing. Because of the use of lower priced parts and omitting certain systems the jeep can offer the value over The European segment SUVs like Q7 or an X5, ML, Range.

High Marks for jeep in the Compiling a quality vehicle that is leaps and bounds ahead of anything that was offered by Jeep before.

Here are some areas where Jeep cuts costs in relation to the others:
  • Stamped steel upper control arms
  • windshield wiper arms(no expensive aero arms here)
  • The lack of actual wired brake wear sensors at each axle.(they are still using those annoy contact sensors that contuiously squeal)
  • The lack of upholstered A, B, C Plllar Cladding on the interior
  • Module connections for Headlight that terminate into one single connection per headlight.
  • The lack of a Popper switch for the tailgate (like the rear window release)
That list was made to be objective in noting that eventhough the WK2 is garnering comparison to Range Rover, BMW and Audi from a material quality standpoint or some one that pays attention to that level of European engineering The JGC has closed the gap but still has some ways to go.


For those same reasons the Jeep is lighter overall and will cost less to maintain or repair. Overall and this is why traded my Beloved 2004 Touareg. The Jeep is so good where it really matters that there is not much I miss. Eventhough I did not get the Limited which would have been comparable to the touareg I traded I don't miss my old car.

The Touareg was not perfect, but jeep took the good parts of the first Generation touareg and mixed it into their own recipe and definitely gave is a SUV that has more European flavor than it even had.

Get the Jeep put some good tires on it some synthetic in the crankcase and enjoy the drive.

Some of you may think I am being forward by comparing the JGC to the Touareg but if you have worked on one or owned one you will see many of the similarities.


One glaring similiarity is the battery under the one of the front seats. S
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

Good comments all.

I just want to reinforce one point. Unless you get the diesel the Q7 in S trim gets 333 HP and it's not enough for the 5600 lbs. There is no sensation of luxury when you look for that power on a hill or when passing.
The GC weighs about 500 lbs less and gets more HP and torque with the Hemi. While not quick, the GC feels sporty compared to the Q7. Bits of better trim do not fix this issue with the Q7. The Audi is a second slower to 60 MPH in S trim or with the diesel.
I'm just enough of a snob that I found myself hoping that we'd prefer a SUV from BMW or Audi....it would be nice to have the name and resale. But in the end we also need a SUV that can handle very bad road conditions. I don't like underpowered cars and SUVs. There's just no contest.
If the Jeep has a ways to go to fully match the refinement of appointments in a Q7, then the Audi has a ways to go in catching up with the Jeep's superior power and 4X4 ability. If Jeep adds the 8 speed to the Hemi...uh oh.
But I think someone said it best....Apples & Oranges, at least to some degree.


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The Touareg was not perfect, but jeep took the good parts of the first Generation touareg and mixed it into their own recipe and definitely gave is a SUV that has more European flavor than it even had.

Get the Jeep put some good tires on it some synthetic in the crankcase and enjoy the drive.

Some of you may think I am being forward by comparing the JGC to the Touareg but if you have worked on one or owned one you will see many of the similarities.

One glaring similiarity is the battery under the one of the front seats. S

Well-stated post!

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