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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

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Good comments all.

I just want to reinforce one point. Unless you get the diesel the Q7 in S trim gets 333 HP and it's not enough for the 5600 lbs. There is no sensation of luxury when you look for that power on a hill or when passing.
The GC weighs about 500 lbs less and gets more HP and torque with the Hemi. While not quick, the GC feels sporty compared to the Q7. Bits of better trim do not fix this issue with the Q7. The Audi is a second slower to 60 MPH in S trim or with the diesel.
I'm just enough of a snob that I found myself hoping that we'd prefer a SUV from BMW or Audi....it would be nice to have the name and resale. But in the end we also need a SUV that can handle very bad road conditions. I don't like underpowered cars and SUVs. There's just no contest.
If the Jeep has a ways to go to fully match the refinement of appointments in a Q7, then the Audi has a ways to go in catching up with the Jeep's superior power and 4X4 ability. If Jeep adds the 8 speed to the Hemi...uh oh.
But I think someone said it best....Apples & Oranges, at least to some degree.


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CapRB, sorry but your numbers are a bit off. The Q7 with the 3.0T tuned for 333 HP will run 0-60 in 6.9 secs. The WK2 with the 5.7 Hemi as been clocked at 7.5 secs. I have a Hemi, it is slow. In fairness to the Jeep, I feel it is in the programming. There is a greater potential but comparing each at the current factory setup the Q7 is faster. Consider also the Q7 has a greater mass at 5500 lbs. While not a SUV focused on performance it is amazing how capable on-road it is.

Going up a hill HP is not your friend rather it is torque. The Hemi has more. I believe the numbers are 390 lb/ft vs. 325 lb/ft.

While the Audi does use forced-induction, they do a good job considering the heft of the vehicle. Same goes for the braking with Brembos being used all around.

If speed and overall power is your main concern, skip the Jeep (SRT8 being the exception) and go with the X5. Any of the available powertrains are better vs. the options for the WK2. Granted you will pay for the price of admission but it is a good combination of sport, luxury and utility.

The 5.7 Hemi has the potential to be much better but also it is risky without the supporting items such as suspension and braking.

Either way, good luck with your decision process.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

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Going up a hill HP is not your friend rather it is torque. The Hemi has more. I believe the numbers are 390 lb/ft vs. 325 lb/ft.

While the Audi does use forced-induction, they do a good job considering the heft of the vehicle.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that forced induction engines lose less power than naturally aspirated engines at higher elevations. That's a big advantage for anyone who drives at elevations above sea level.
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Re: Audi Q7 vs. GC Overland V8

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CapRB, sorry but your numbers are a bit off. The Q7 with the 3.0T tuned for 333 HP will run 0-60 in 6.9 secs. The WK2 with the 5.7 Hemi as been clocked at 7.5 secs. I have a Hemi, it is slow. In fairness to the Jeep, I feel it is in the programming. There is a greater potential but comparing each at the current factory setup the Q7 is faster. Consider also the Q7 has a greater mass at 5500 lbs. While not a SUV focused on performance it is amazing how capable on-road it is.

Going up a hill HP is not your friend rather it is torque. The Hemi has more. I believe the numbers are 390 lb/ft vs. 325 lb/ft.

While the Audi does use forced-induction, they do a good job considering the heft of the vehicle. Same goes for the braking with Brembos being used all around.

If speed and overall power is your main concern, skip the Jeep (SRT8 being the exception) and go with the X5. Any of the available powertrains are better vs. the options for the WK2. Granted you will pay for the price of admission but it is a good combination of sport, luxury and utility.

The 5.7 Hemi has the potential to be much better but also it is risky without the supporting items such as suspension and braking.

Either way, good luck with your decision process.



Thanks....looking around online I saw numbers for the Q7 in S trim over 8 sec to 60. I've read Hemi owners claiming that the 0-60 is closer to 7 seconds.
Whatever the numbers, the Q7 certainly seemed to struggle when I punched it for passing. The Overland made a bit of a roar and launched with more authority. On hills was where the Q7 did not feel like the price. I understand the torque is a major part of the equation. The Audi dealer said that to really match the hemi overall (or best it) would require the diesel option. Though not fast, it has a lot of torque.
Let's just say that I was left more impressed with the Overland than the Q7 and that price was not an issue in the comparison. The Q7's 200 + inches along with the tight feeling interior made us feel like we were in a car, rather than an SUV. The Jeep created a feeling of more room, though I don't know what the numbers are.
We did check out and drive the X5 and it trampled the Q7 in every way. IMHO the X5 is the go-to SUV road car, while the Jeep is the go-to dual purpose SUV. The Q7, in it's current form, is left out in the cold. Some of these factors are subjective, but many are not.

Thanks for the comments!


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