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Re: Auto Start/Stop- We need to talk about this

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Unless the car pumps out huge amounts of toxic fumes while idling at each stop light then it probably causes more hurt than good in the long run due to the stress on the starter.
I'm curious if the Starter on vehicles equipped with this "feature" are different then the standard ones. I'd expect (and hope) that it (and the other related components) are beefed up to handle the increased wear.



I remember reading somewhere that starting your vehicle is THE most stressful & wearing operation it goes thru.

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I'm curious if the Starter on vehicles equipped with this "feature" are different then the standard ones. I'd expect (and hope) that it (and the other related components) are beefed up to handle the increased wear.



I remember reading somewhere that starting your vehicle is THE most stressful & wearing operation it goes thru.
Yea, these auto start/stop starters are designed for a great deal more wear and tear.

Also, starting the vehicle is stressful when its a cold start, no where near as bad with a warm start, especially when all the electronics are working and the car's "homeostasis" is maintained.
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Re: Auto Start/Stop- We need to talk about this

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I'm curious if the Starter on vehicles equipped with this "feature" are different then the standard ones. I'd expect (and hope) that it (and the other related components) are beefed up to handle the increased wear.



I remember reading somewhere that starting your vehicle is THE most stressful & wearing operation it goes thru.
It has been reported here more than once that the starter used on start/stop v6 engines has a much longer duty cycle. I believe however that the start/stop system will cause excessive wear on a lot more than just the starter, and I have not read that any components other than the starter have been beefed up, but I hope they have.
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Re: Auto Start/Stop- We need to talk about this

I'll bet the guy that invented it has it disabled on his (or her) car.
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Re: Auto Start/Stop- We need to talk about this

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I'm curious if the Starter on vehicles equipped with this "feature" are different then the standard ones. I'd expect (and hope) that it (and the other related components) are beefed up to handle the increased wear.



I remember reading somewhere that starting your vehicle is THE most stressful & wearing operation it goes thru.
Very true. More wear takes place during the first minute after starting, (especially in cold weather), than at any other time. Mostly due to the fact the engine is running dry until oil can reach the components. This is what I would be the most concerned with over time, and literally tens of thousands of these automatic start / stop procedures. Not to mention starter / solenoid / battery wear. If you have a questionable battery, this could wind up killing it, and leaving you stranded in the process. At a crowded intersection, no less.

Yes, once the engine is started and warmed up this type of wear is kept at a minimum. But I just can't see any common sense in increasing it, just to try and save a few drops of gas. Or worse, trying to achieve a more "green" 2 ton, V-8 powered SUV with this type of silly nonsense. If that's such a concern, buy a Prius.
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Very true. More wear takes place during the first minute after starting, (especially in cold weather), than at any other time. Mostly due to the fact the engine is running dry until oil can reach the components. This is what I would be the most concerned with over time, and literally tens of thousands of these automatic start / stop procedures. Not to mention starter / solenoid / battery wear. If you have a questionable battery, this could wind up killing it, and leaving you stranded in the process.

Yes, once the engine is started and warmed up this type of wear is kept at a minimum. But I just can't see any common sense in increasing it, just to try and save a few drops of gas. Or worse, trying to achieve a more "green" 2 ton, V-8 powered SUV with this type of silly nonsense. If that's such a concern, buy a Prius.
V8 don't have start-stop neither do Diesels for that matter.
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V8 don't have start-stop neither do Diesels for that matter.
It won't make a Penstar any healthier over time either.
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If they need to add to meet CAFE, well fine, but at least make it doesn't default to on every time you start it. Make the misery self inflicted. Same thing with MDS on the v-8's


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If they need to add to meet CAFE, well fine, but at least make it doesn't default to on every time you start it. Make the misery self inflicted. Same thing with MDS on the v-8's.
I agree. I think the whole deal with CAFE is, that it "doesn't count" if it's a device the consumer can turn off on their own. Or worse something the manufacturer "programmed in". (Volkswagen's "Diesel Gate" is an excellent example of that). They're smart enough to know 99.9% of the buyers would shut it off. It would be nothing but a display that showcases the purchaser has more common sense than the government. Which everyone already knows to be true from the get go.

I often wonder who the genius was who programmed the system to turn on the radio every time you start?
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Very true. More wear takes place during the first minute after starting, (especially in cold weather), than at any other time. Mostly due to the fact the engine is running dry until oil can reach the components. This is what I would be the most concerned with over time, and literally tens of thousands of these automatic start / stop procedures. Not to mention starter / solenoid / battery wear. If you have a questionable battery, this could wind up killing it, and leaving you stranded in the process. At a crowded intersection, no less.

Yes, once the engine is started and warmed up this type of wear is kept at a minimum. But I just can't see any common sense in increasing it, just to try and save a few drops of gas. Or worse, trying to achieve a more "green" 2 ton, V-8 powered SUV with this type of silly nonsense. If that's such a concern, buy a Prius.
I'm no fan of star/stop but two things to note are that from what I have read the system does not activate until the engine is up to temp. Also there is a second smaller battery to aid the system in some way, but I don't know how really.
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I agree. I think the whole deal with CAFE is, that it "doesn't count" if it's a device the consumer can turn off on their own. Or worse something the manufacturer "programmed in". (Volkswagen's "Diesel Gate" is an excellent example of that). They're smart enough to know 99.9% of the buyers would shut it off. It would be nothing but a display that showcases the purchaser has more common sense than the government. Which everyone already knows to be true from the get go.

I often wonder who the genius was who programmed the system to turn on the radio every time you start?

I really enjoy the build quality and safety of newer cars, but having them saddle with all these idiotic systems is getting old. Every year only gets worse.


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I'll bet the guy that invented it has it disabled on his (or her) car.

Yes, you are 100% right! He is probably laughing his guts out with his 'beyond stupid' idea that actually got into production!
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