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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

I drive a 2012 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara. It's my daily driver. Love it except for longer drives, i.e., over 100 miles. Less than that, it is great. On longer drives, the noise, handling, ride quality, and general roughness grate on me. Less than that, and I find it quite acceptable.

I wouldn't get the Rubicon unless it will mostly see trails/offroad. The tires are the only reason. The Rubicon tires are noisier and won't give you much life on the road. On the flip side, I am on stock tires @ 64K miles on my Sahara and getting very close to must buy new tires... Unless you are doing some very serious off roading, there is no place the Rubicon can go that I cannot ( with the exception of my current state of tire )

The wranglers are easy to mod and on nice days, it is easy to take off the panels over the front seats, but not so easy to take off the entire top.

The back seats are miserably uncomfortable in their rake and support. Not an issue around town, but on a longer drive it will beat up a passenger back there. No one should spend > 45 min back there. Even kids.

Finally... Dogs love Wranglers.

I plan on eventually replacing the Sahara with a Summit. When is anybody's guess. Thus I lurk and occasionally post here. The things I will miss about the Wrangler. Fun. The damn things are fun to drive. I will miss the extra lights I put on it. I don't worry about dirt from the dog or little scratches on the trim from her. No perforations in the leather for dirt to get into. I park just about everywhere because it never seems to get a door ding. Maybe I am lucky, but it never seems to take a hit.

In any case, if your Wrangler is going to be a daily driver I would consider NOT getting the Rubicon and NOT lifting the vehicle more than 2 inches. That's just me. Lots do.

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btw, I have had two Grand Cherokees in the past. Loved them too...
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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

Thanks Paul! Great write-up! I have 3 boys, so all the more reason I think I have to stick with a GC as daily drivers. Hearing two teenage boys b*tch nonstop about being uncomfortable makes me instantly change my mind - lol

Good call on the Sahara. Definitely will look at both down the road when I decide to pull the trigger on a used JK at some point. There are some pretty intense trails around here that I used to take my H3 on back in the day, but nothing that a Sahara couldn't handle I'm sure!


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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

I *almost* bought a 2012 JKU Sahara. Test drove it three times. It would have been mine daily driver. I wanted the Dozer color, with limited slip, soft/hard top, etc. None of the dealerships had it in the color/option combo. Decided to order one.

While waiting to do paperwork for placing the order, I decided to test drive the WK2. Literally, 10 feet out of the parking spot, I changed my mind and ended up buying a 2012 WK2 Limited.

I still love to have a Wrangler in my garage, but I think they are not for everyday driving. I will, however, get one some day when I can expand my garage. My 4 yr old daughter likes them a lot!!

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Thanks Paul! Great write-up! I have 3 boys, so all the more reason I think I have to stick with a GC as daily drivers. Hearing two teenage boys b*tch nonstop about being uncomfortable makes me instantly change my mind - lol

Good call on the Sahara. Definitely will look at both down the road when I decide to pull the trigger on a used JK at some point. There are some pretty intense trails around here that I used to take my H3 on back in the day, but nothing that a Sahara couldn't handle I'm sure!


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In my experience with my daughters, the complaints start at the 1 hour mark. No problem for around town, but head out on a road trip and 6 hours later there are complaints. If the rake of the rear seat could be adjusted, it wouldn't be so bad. Also after an hour or so, the road noise will get you down. The stock tires on the Rubicon - maybe even sooner. I drive about 30 miles each way to work and it is fun to drive. My last commuter ride was a BMW 335 and I have to say that I prefer sitting up higher and more upright than the 335 seating position and am thinking the WK2 would be a nice mix of the wrangler with comforts and features from a nicer car. Toy with the back and forth on keeping vs selling for a long while now. Maybe we should trade for a few weeks and we will both know.

btw, my Sahara is painted like the Rubicon in post 1. It has rear LED backup lights because the stock rears are terrible and LED driving lights in front. I put in a radiator shield painted yellow but other than that it is stock. I just saw you were in Texas. Too bad, we could have traded for a week or two if we were neighbors.

Finally, one of the things that is keeping me from pulling the trigger on a new Jeep is that I am afraid I will actually miss the truck-like drive and lack of worry about curbs, scuffing tires or rims, dirty dog jumping on seats, etc. I have floor mats that will hold a can of coke spilled and not have to worry about the beautiful carpet because there is little exposed and it's not beautiful. Maybe I should look at a pickup truck... haha

One more thing... the thing you put after the paragraph that starts with "Finally". The front seats of the Sahara are actually very comfortable even on long drives. No gear shift that pokes you in the right thigh, which is a point of contention for me and the WK2. Why the F is that thing there? A skinny legged bastard designed and tested that knob for sure.

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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

Thanks again Paul! Would love to see a pic of your Jeep to see the visual dif between your Sahara and the Rubicon if you happen to have one handy...


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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

I just came from a '11 Rubicon unlimited. It was nice. Too nice for an offroader. I never wanted to take it off road because I didn't want to pinstripe my $35K Jeep. In September I changed jobs and doubled my commute each day, I found that for my needs, the Rubicon wasn't cutting it anymore. I never went off-roading with it and it was too expensive a vehicle to have as just a daily driver if I wasn't using it for its capabilities. I think I engaged the lockers once in owning it for 4 years. the only offroading it saw was fording a creek every now and then to make sure the 4X4 system worked properly. that and snow was all it did. They are big and underpowered (3.8L, I can't speak on the pentastar) and kind of fragile with all the plastic bits. I had the 6 speed with 4.10 gears and I could get it to chirp 2nd gear but mine was bone stock. bigger tires and a lift and you just added weight and overpowered that motor. the only thing I miss about a wrangler is removing the top and doors. it's 3 degrees outside right now so I don't even miss that yet.

I traded it in on a '12 GC. the GC suites my needs much better. I can tow with it (I have a track car I need to tow to/from track) and its hella comfortable to drive daily. I just took it on a road trip from DC to Montreal and back in 3 days and it was a joy to drive, even in the snow storms I drove through. I did install wrangler duratracs before the trip for grip and also to make it a little more rugged, but come summertime I will be getting a set of 20"s with smooth riding tires.

If I were you, and you plan on actually offroading it and enjoying it the way a wrangler is meant to be enjoyed, I wouldn't get a JK. I would get a TJ (in my opinion the best wrangler) or a YJ (my brother's idea of the best wrangler) and mess with that while keeping your GC. You will be happier in the long run. all the enjoyment of a rugged wrangler without the compromise in daily drivability. That's what I plan on doing. I am looking for a base TJ that isn't rusted out and I plan on having that as an offroad toy, because at the end of the day the wrangler is just that, a toy. I had a tJ before the JK and THAT is the jeep I really miss.
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Re: Being tempted by a Rubicon...need advice

I also feel the siren song of the Rubicon. But I keep reminding myself that all the trails I'd drive with it are 700 to 1000+ miles away, and I would be better off getting there in comfort (WK2). Besides, my idea of off roading does not include anything overly strenuous for a GC to handle; and if I expect to take a trail that's borderline, I can rent a Wrangler for the day. (When I eventually enjoy Black Bear, I intend to do it from a back seat... with cameras in hand.)
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Sorry, other than pics of the dog hanging her head out the window of my Sahara, this is the best I can do. Shows yellow radiator grill I installed and front LED lamps I installed. To be honest, other than the lack of Rubicon sticker on the hood, it looks just like the one in post 1 of this thread. In any case, here it is in Sedona.

The second picture demonstrates the BOLT UPRIGHT rear seat. Even the dog doesn't like it... Just kidding, she was scared because this was her first ride in the Jeep...

The third pic doesn't show off much more than the hula girl on the dash... And Daisy. BTW, that's my father in the reflection of her shades, not me. I am rapidly getting old, but he has 32 years on me. Hope I look that good at his age, no take that back. Hope I am still alive at his age...
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Daisy is one cute pup! You definitely live in the right area to do some serious off-roading 👍


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If I were you, and you plan on actually offroading it and enjoying it the way a wrangler is meant to be enjoyed, I wouldn't get a JK. I would get a TJ (in my opinion the best wrangler) or a YJ (my brother's idea of the best wrangler) and mess with that while keeping your GC. You will be happier in the long run. all the enjoyment of a rugged wrangler without the compromise in daily drivability. That's what I plan on doing. I am looking for a base TJ that isn't rusted out and I plan on having that as an offroad toy, because at the end of the day the wrangler is just that, a toy. I had a tJ before the JK and THAT is the jeep I really miss.

Exactly! Think I will be much more inclined to take it on some serious off-road treks if I am spending below $10k on it - otherwise I'll kill the fun worrying about scratches, nicks, scrapes, etc. rather than just having a good time.


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