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Re: Bimmer to WK2?

I had an '06 TL with a 6 speed manual. It was a pretty quick car and handled very well. When I bought the car I didn't know that the rear seat didn't fold down (rookie mistake). It made the car totally useless for moving anything other than people. I also picked up a sail boat so for a while I bought and serviced an old SUV. It cost more than the Acura.

I ended up getting rid of both to get the Jeep. I wanted to have one car for a while. The point I am making is think about what you need the car to do. I like having the utility and capability. I miss having a manual transmission; this is my first automatic. But I love the ride of this car. It is quiet, smooth, and composed. The interior of this car is by far nicer than my old Acura. It is also the quietest right I have ever experienced.

It was a little weird at first. It felt big and awkward. But now when I get in a car to drive it I feel like a fish out of water.

So think carefully and take your time with your decision. I did a lot of cross shopping and spent four months doing research. I kept coming back to the Jeep and felt confident when I finally made my purchase.

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Old 01-22-2011, 10:49 AM
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And plus, Americans buying American- it just feels right
but then you should buy the Pentastar and not the Hemi . Is the GC Hemi not made in mexico?
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Re: Bimmer to WK2?

I kept my sports car... I love the rx8 and the wk2 in different ways.

The wk2 is quiet, calming, comfortable, capable of going places my car could never think of going. It easier to haul things and people places. It's a great all around vehicle. I have never been so absolutely calm driving in winter weather.

My car is none of the above. It's loud, rough, transmits every road imperfection into my hands and sends a tingle up my spine whenever I hear the engine scream through the revs. As soon as I start it up I remember the actual joys of DRIVING and driver involvement. It's a feeling you can't get from a WK2.

As I tell coworkers, I drive the Mazda and the Jeep drives me.
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And plus, Americans buying American- it just feels right
I'm sorry, but that sentiment is a large part of the problem that almost killed the US car industry. The big 3 became increasingly lazy and started producing crap in hopes the general public would buy it based on national pride. Then one day that crowd noticed how much better their neighbors imports were and now the big 3 are still struggling to reclaim a spec of credibility from the general public despite having products that can now legitimately compete.
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I'm sorry, but that sentiment is a large part of the problem that almost killed the US car industry. The big 3 became increasingly lazy and started producing crap in hopes the general public would buy it based on national pride. Then one day that crowd noticed how much better their neighbors imports were and now the big 3 are still struggling to reclaim a spec of credibility from the general public despite having products that can now legitimately compete.
Only if taken the the extreme, which I agree, many do.

Personally I'm glad the WK2 is American made, I sold a VW Touareg to buy it! I'm one of those who have said all along that I would buy an American car (and I've owned well over 20 American cars over the years) over an import IF it filled my needs and was at least of equivalent quality, performance and value.

I'm practicing what I preach but I know for a fact a lot of people talk the talk but fail to walk the walk. Example, in the midsize sedan market the products offered by American companies like GM and Ford are EVERY BIT as good as the Japanese, European or Korean competition (The jury is out on the Chrysler 200) but people flock to Toyota and Honda dealerships because there's the "belief" that it's a better, more dependable product.

If it takes a little "Buy American" patriotism to get these people back into the showroom I say what's the harm?
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True and they are also twice as much. Sticker in my '06 topped 100k and the 2011s aren't any cheaper; just saying.
Oh no doubt...I've had 3 (98, 2000 and an 03) they were all 70-80 and a waste of $$. I would buy a wk2 and have $55k in my pocket over a $100k RR. But if u put both in front of me and said I could pick either for free, RR would be my choice. I have a soft spot for them, and when I test drove the 2011, I was impressed. The new dash/elec gauges and the new motor(s) are amazing
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Re: Bimmer to WK2?

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I'm sorry, but that sentiment is a large part of the problem that almost killed the US car industry. The big 3 became increasingly lazy and started producing crap in hopes the general public would buy it based on national pride. Then one day that crowd noticed how much better their neighbors imports were and now the big 3 are still struggling to reclaim a spec of credibility from the general public despite having products that can now legitimately compete.
You are wrong. Corporate greed of public companies and the desire to increase short term profits at the expense of quality and ingenuity almost killed the the US car industry. Unions were also no great help here. The patriotic sentiment (like you took my comment to be) created a product demand that the US car makers betrayed, falsely assumed would always be there and abused via marketing practices. But when better value came from foreign makes, the US consumer responded. And now we see the same has happened with most foreign cars. Toyota, was known for quality and reliability. Same with Mercedes. And now?...

As for the HEMI comment, the engine is only one of many, many parts in my new vehicle that will be made outside of the US. My comment about being happy to be purchasing American was more in the light of finally having a domestic make that is on par or exceeds the foreign makes in terms of design and value. Reliability is TBD, but I am so underwhelmed with my 5 year old BMW that has been in the shop every other week in the last 6 months for a variety of issues (just picked up today from a tranny replacement) as compared to the 5 year old Ford Expy we just traded in that had not a single problem in 105K miles. Or the Mercedes GL we traded it in for that has been in the shop twice in 8 weeks for leaks, two dead batteries and multiple electronic issues.

Finally, and this may be bizarre to some, if our country's bankers (aka China) come with military force to collect if we stop paying their loans or for any other reason, we will need a viable industrial base to supply ourselves. Can't exactly outsource tank orders to countries that are at war with us can we? I know this seems far fetched, but so is the reality that the jeep was created to help win a war against the Germans an Japanese- one of which whose chief export is what this thread is about...
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Re: Bimmer to WK2?

The WK2 is just as much German as it is american
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Re: Bimmer to WK2?

Its a Jeep, and if you have those special genes and your susceptible to Jeeps/Wheeling etc, your gonna be hooked like a crackhead is to well . . . crack lol. All in all the new WK is a great truck and they just keep getting better with this new WK2 proving just that.

Jeep really knows their market and is putting out awesome products to meet their demands. All in all, trading or switching to a Jeep is NEVER a bad idea Just my .02

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You are wrong. Corporate greed of public companies and the desire to increase short term profits at the expense of quality and ingenuity almost killed the the US car industry.
Not targeting you Primal Jeeper, but I see this kind of comment posted a lot and unfairly so. Actually, the "corporate greed" so often spoken of should be more accurately ascribed as investor greed (the general public, trust funds, insurance companies, union pension funds, Wall Street people, etc.) who expect continuous high returns on investment portfolios invested in companies. In turn, these publicly owned companies are run by executives whom are paid to be "greedy" so that the stock price rewards the investors.

There are too many of us whom expect incredible amounts of wealth to be derived in the short term from investing rather than working by the sweat of our brow or brain; that's the greed that is killing American-made products. The expectations of improving investor equity forces companies to squeeze profits by moving production and innovation efforts overseas where labor is less, taxes are less and government intrusion much less than in the U.S. This will continues so long as the stock market is seen as a casino.

I generally agree some of the other things you mentioned.
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My 135i lease ends in August. My next car will be a WK2 Limited w/ 20" wheels and the Hemi. If 135s weren't trading below my buyout number, I'd be in a GC now.
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Wow, I never thought I would need to defend a comment that I was happy to be buying American. No one else feels this pride in owning a Jeep?

Yes, R0tor, I am aware plenty of the parts, engineering and design in the wk2 were not made in the US. So perhaps I should be a bit clearer and say I am happy to be buying a vehicle assembled in Detroit. I was also happy when I bought my Mercedes GL450 about the fact that it was assembled in Alabama. Yes, idiots like me still exist that feel good to believe that their purchase helped keep a countryman employed. Perhaps my self-selected, limited view of global economics helps me not think about the BMW car salesman my purchase is potentially putting out of work, but so be it. I also prefer to buy fruits and veggies grown by my local farmer rather than a Peruvian stranger, whenever I can.

Bmwister, well said. My point was that the fact that Americans buying American cars out of patriotic fidelity was not to blame for the downfall of the Big 3, it was the abuse of this sentiment by the corporate machine that did. Yes, technically it is the overarching focus on return on risk capital (investor profit) that large public companies, institutional investors, etc. obsess over. And that corporate cultures are created fundamentally to protect shareholder interest above all else. Or that US tax policy during the years that the Big 3 (and plenty of other US companies) spiraled downward allowed the C-suite to get compensated in stock options deductible to the corporation, which made their focus be on short term profits to drive market share price over sustainable growth. I figured "corporate greed" summed it up best for a bimmer vs wk2 thread, but I agree with everything you said.

Soontobesrt- you got it right! Jeeps are crack for those with the gene. I took my first hit on the pipe in '98 with an '86 CJ7 that was so rusted, I'd watch the ground go by through the holes in the floorpan like Fred Flintstone. Had to sell it when I moved and kept telling myself I would get another one someday. I kept putting it off for 10 years until last year a friend had a heart attack at 40 years old on a Thursday, which reminded me of the nature of my own mortality. Fortunately he is fine and by Sunday of that week I owned a 99 Wrangler TJ. And the addiction came back with a vengeance, so hopefully a daily dose of the overland summit will feed the urge. Otherwise, we may need to adopt a neglected Wrangler Unlimited too...
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