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Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

In Denver area, and looking to purchase a new 2015 GJC Limited 4WD with the 3.6L Engine, Granite Crystal w/Black Interior and no other options. MSRP w/Destination Charge is $ 39,890. Discounted sales Price with $ 500 Jeep Incentive for 0% 60 month financing is $ 36,682 + Dealer Doc Fee of $ 599 (Which I hate Paying) = Total of $ 37,281.

I think this is an ok deal, but thinking about asking them to throw in a hitch (installed cost of about $ 650), or at least split it.

I thought they should be discounting the 2015s more, but talked with several dealers, and this is the best price I have today.

Ant thoughts or comments on if this is a good deal?


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Old 09-23-2015, 10:28 PM
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

Have you looked at Truecar and spec'd out the vehicle you're looking at? If not that's where I'd start looking next. I had a hitch put on mine at the dealership and it was $450 for parts & labor. Looks just as it would have come from the factory.
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

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Have you looked at Truecar and spec'd out the vehicle you're looking at? If not that's where I'd start looking next. I had a hitch put on mine at the dealership and it was $450 for parts & labor. Looks just as it would have come from the factory.
Thanks for your feedback. And yes....Truecar "good deal pricing" is at $37,547 for my specified vehicle including Dealer Doc Fee, and my quote is $ 37,281, but thought I would get some real world feedback, and really thought the 2015s would be discounted more. Dealer service department quote for hitch is $ 650, so I think there is some wiggle room there.
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

Regarding the hitch, if you intend to do "real" towing, you want the factory tow option so you get full capacities. Installing the hitch receiver after the fact is convenient for utility use, but the substantially reduced towing capacities (3500) without factory tow can be material depending on your use. Factory tow includes a lot of other things; not just the hitch receiver and electrical hookups.
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

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Regarding the hitch, if you intend to do "real" towing, you want the factory tow option so you get full capacities. Installing the hitch receiver after the fact is convenient for utility use, but the substantially reduced towing capacities (3500) without factory tow can be material depending on your use. Factory tow includes a lot of other things; not just the hitch receiver and electrical hookups.
So are you saying "Factory Tow" is the hitch installed at the Factory vs. the OEM Mopar Hitch the dealer installs are different? The service guy at the Dealer said the Mopar Hitch is a Class 4 hitch, and includes a 4 pin and 7 pin connector. Installation requires removal of the bumper to install, and looks just like the factory installed hitch when complete.
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

Jim brings up a good point. If you are looking to tow anything of substance you should look for the tow package. Personally I only needed it to hook up a bicycle carrier and utility use as opposed to towing a boat, camper, etc. so this was an ideal solution for me. The receiver is a Class IV, which is what you get from the factory, but if you note the list below, you will get only the Harness, Class IV Hitch and not the Heavy Duty Engine cooling. I *believe* the Heavy Duty cooling is the differentiator between the two, though there could be other components that further add to the limitations between add on vs. factory tow package.

The Factory Tow Package option includes:

OPTION GROUPS

Trailer Tow Group IV
7 and 4 Pin Wiring Harness
Class IV Receiver Hitch
Delete Rear Tow Hook
Full Size Spare Tire
Steel Spare Wheel
Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
The heavy-duty engine cooling system is designed to vent excess heat generated by heavy engine use

Here are the towing specs:

Explore Jeep Capabilities - Towing Reference Guide
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

Thanks Jay. You got it. The difference must be the heavy duty cooling. We will only be towing a trailer with ATVs, so the dealer installed hitch should be more than adequate.
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Re: Buying a 2015 GJC Limited 4WD- A Good Price?

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So are you saying "Factory Tow" is the hitch installed at the Factory vs. the OEM Mopar Hitch the dealer installs are different? The service guy at the Dealer said the Mopar Hitch is a Class 4 hitch, and includes a 4 pin and 7 pin connector. Installation requires removal of the bumper to install, and looks just like the factory installed hitch when complete.
Let's try this again..."the Internet ate my first attempt at replying". LOL
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The hitch receiver is the same, but Factory Tow includes a bunch of other things, such as heavy duty brakes, suspension enhancements, electrical enhancements and, depending on the engine, additional cooling. With Factory Tow, the (4x4) V6 has a 6200 lb limit and the V8 and EcoDiesel have a 7200 lb limit. In all cases, a WDH (Weight Distribution Hitch) is required by Jeep for loads over 3500 lbs (theoretically 350 lbs tongue weight).

Without factory tow, the documented limit is 3500 lbs. Yes, the vehicle will likely perform fine with a higher load, but if there's an accident or other issue, what's documented could be a factor for any actions that happen as a result of that accident or other issue.

Jeep is no different than any other manufacturer on this particular point in my experience.
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Let's try this again..."the Internet ate my first attempt at replying". LOL
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The hitch receiver is the same, but Factory Tow includes a bunch of other things, such as heavy duty brakes, suspension enhancements, electrical enhancements and, depending on the engine, additional cooling. With Factory Tow, the (4x4) V6 has a 6200 lb limit and the V8 and EcoDiesel have a 7200 lb limit. In all cases, a WDH (Weight Distribution Hitch) is required by Jeep for loads over 3500 lbs (theoretically 350 lbs tongue weight).

Without factory tow, the documented limit is 3500 lbs. Yes, the vehicle will likely perform fine with a higher load, but if there's an accident or other issue, what's documented could be a factor for any actions that happen as a result of that accident or other issue.

Jeep is no different than any other manufacturer on this particular point in my experience.
Jim makes an excellent point even if it took him two tries.

Say some doofus cuts right out in front of you on one of the rural paved roads where you are tooling along at speed limit. You swerve, but manage to lay some load on Doofus. Doofus hires The Strong Arm [ya know, that guy on TV] who discovers your dealer installed hitch vs factory installed just from the easily available VIN info. Your insurance company asks if you are insane.
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Jim makes an excellent point even if it took him two tries.

Say some doofus cuts right out in front of you on one of the rural paved roads where you are tooling along at speed limit. You swerve, but manage to lay some load on Doofus. Doofus hires The Strong Arm [ya know, that guy on TV] who discovers your dealer installed hitch vs factory installed just from the easily available VIN info. Your insurance company asks if you are insane.
Yes I got it. We are not towing anything with any weight. Just a Utility Trailer with two ATVs, max weight of 2,000 pounds. So the Hitch isn't a big issue. And yes I have seen the "Strong Arm" commercials, and have personal experience of towing incident lawsuits when I was the Division Manager/VP of a large commercial construction company. We had an overloaded trailer, and got in an accident, that wasn't even out fault, but it cost us $1 Mill to settle it out of court. Those scummy lawyers.......but it would have cost us more to fight it until the end.

This was supposed to be more discussion of price on a 2015 JJC Limited without any options. My best price is $ 3,200 under MSRP without the Dealer Doc Fee, which is 5,4% under invoice. With the Dealer Doc Fee of $599 (which really pisses me off, but is pretty close standard in Denver)............it is about 4% under invoice. And I think I can get another $ 200-$300 off that if I pressure them. The TureCar best price is about $250 more than my current best price, so I think in the end I can get about $ $400 - $ 500 below TrueCar.

I did talk to Chirs at River Oaks Jeep in Houston and he is at 5.5% under invoice (and such an easy conversation, what a great guy), and his Dealer Doc Fee is only $ 125, but shipping is around $ 725 which puts it at more than the Denver Dealers.............Only due to the shipping.

So I think it is a decent deal.

Thanks for everyone's input!
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I didn't intend for a large side-track to happen, but whenever I see "have the dealer add a hitch", I have this compelling need to 'splain the ramifications...
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I didn't intend for a large side-track to happen, but whenever I see "have the dealer add a hitch", I have this compelling need to 'splain the ramifications...
No Problem.............the deal is done (much better that quoted above), on the phone (and in writing via e-mail), and headed to the dealer to pick up the GJC Limited, and sign the paperwork tomorrow. I have purchased a lot of new cars for friends and family. I worked this one hard, and will share the final deal after it is signed, and are driving it home.

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