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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

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And if you have SXM, the satellites know where you are in addition to the GPS data and cell network relay towers.
Absolute nonsense.

SXM satellites don't know diddly about anything. They broadcast. That's it. Your receiver is just that -- a receiver. When your receiver is activated, the satellites broadcast a command that your receiver receives confirming the activation.

You know what? Everyone else's receiver got that same command -- they just ignore it.

As for car hacking, give someone unlimited physical access to your car, and they can do whatever they want -- whether it's corrupt the electronics, cut a brake line, or affix 2 kilos of Columbian Bam Bam to your muffler.

Remotely, it's vastly more difficult. The best they can do is maybe get your door locks open. All of the hacks demonstrated so far have had physical access.

If you want to hack something, hack a Tesla -- they have over the air updates. Steal the SSL cert, get a man in the middle, download whatever you want in to that car. That car tracks everything, and has pervasive internet that they actively use.

I don't know if Jeep is actively using the cell radios they bundle with the trucks or not.

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Old 06-03-2014, 07:26 AM
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

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If you want to hack something, hack a Tesla -- they have over the air updates. Steal the SSL cert, get a man in the middle, download whatever you want in to that car. That car tracks everything, and has pervasive internet that they actively use.

I don't know if Jeep is actively using the cell radios they bundle with the trucks or not.
UCONNECT also gets Over-The-Air updates.
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

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There are LOTS of ways the government is tracking these days...

Back in early 2000's it was revealed that for COLOR ink jet and laser toner based printers, the printers printed the smallest resolution (one printer pixel) dots on every page you printed in yellow...the info included the make, model, serial number of the printer and also date and time on some. No joke. I actually got a blue light with magnifier back then to see...and sure enough. The dot patterns were repeated about every 2" up the page and someone posted a decoder of the patterns. Basically, just print out a page with one word on it, then use a blue light to see the tiny yellow dots with a magnifying glass repeatedly printed on the page. I suppose you could just remove the yellow cartridge...but then you couldn't print in color. I think there was a lawsuit as it wasn't disclosed to the consumer. Printer makers (esp. Xerox) went mum on it. No joke. This was originally implemented to combat currency counterfeiting. All color copiers were scan and print (versus B&W light lens systems) so Canon (the first maker of really high quality color copiers...under $50K) had to install special software to detect currency during the scan process and shut down the machine.

Government Uses Color Laser Printer Technology to Track Documents | PCWorld

Printer steganography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you also know that EVERY mail piece is photographed (front and back) and optical reader reads all info and this is stored by the government. They can type in your name and see all mail you have gotten (and sent if you use return address). That's how they caught the ricin mailer a few years ago....some lady in TX. They reviewed the mail that was processed before and after to narrow down to exactly which mail drop box she used and about when based on investigating others who dropped mail in the box. It narrowed down the search to less than 100 possible suspects then with more info caught her within days (there were no fingerprints). All mail is sorted at the mega facilities now with this equipment.

For vehicles and cell phones, they are called roving bugs. They have used an operating backdoor to install software to listen in even though no indication on your phone other than the battery runs down quicker than usual.

Oh, and don't even start on all the license plate readers that are permanently installed (including vehicle mounted ones). Privacy is dead....especially when with a few clicks all the information is available and organized.

Tin foil hats won't protect anyone now!!! LOL LOL LOL

Yet flight 370 still can't be found...sad.
I worked as a contractor for the company that sold and installed the optical mail scanning systems to the USPS in the mid 90s. Like most situations dealing with mass repetitive operations, people were replaced by machines. The system would scan the letter and try to read the address. If so it would print a bar code on it. If not the image would be sent to a site and appear on a terminal so a human could try to read it and enter the information manually. The IT backend that I babysat was a simple vax computer and limited storage. It probably hasn't changed much today.

Back on this topic I'm not a big fan of remote start and unlock via the web and phone apps so I am letting all of that expire. It still seems the cellular in the vehicle is still active and capable of receiving. I think there should be an option to deactivate the cellular by the owner.
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

Most likely risk, at least at the present time, would be any "apps" that can be obtained and loaded...nefarious code could easily enter the system that way. That would be easier than an outside crack via connectivity on a (literally) moving target.
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Just on CNN today about license plate readers and how they cross reference data Big Data Analytics...scary. If this doesn't concern you, then you don't mind government having all this power over you. But the capabilities in the video are at least 10 years old...not even close to what is done at fed level.

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f not the image would be sent to a site and appear on a terminal so a human could try to read it and enter the information manually. The IT backend that I babysat was a simple vax computer and limited storage. It probably hasn't changed much today.
Nope....EVERYTHING has changed since 9/11. Not to say 'trust me, I know' but well....yeah I know.

The type of machines at earthclassmail.com are at all USPS processing centers and all data is saved for mining later. The tech from the 90's is so outdated....think of your computer from 25 years ago...just doesn't compare.

My issue is the "spying tech" used against foreign threats are now used against U.S. citizens without any criminal reason to do so in such a massive way that we do as a nation need to set limits.
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

Uconnect has to be flash updated from the vehicle. AFAIK it isn't...or hasn't yet been remotely updated.
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

One of my relatives works in a government facility in the UK, one of several CCTV centers.

He once told me that I would be amazed at what they can do with CCTV camera's these days. They can track an individual driving his car across country, then stopping in a town, walking around which includes any stops INSIDE shopping centers. Oh! And if he enters a motorway at, say, exit 5 and exits at 55, they can compute his speed and, if he exceeded the speed limit, send him a ticket in the mail. This besides all the speed enforcement camera's etc.....

Big Brother indeed!!!
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

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UCONNECT also gets Over-The-Air updates.
I doubt it does this if you're not a subscriber. I haven't found a reason to subscribe. I didn't find a compelling reason to even sample it, frankly.

The Tesla updates the entire car, as far as I know. As the guy at the dealer said "ours is the only car that gets better over time" because they can download updates.

A simple example, he cited, was what they call "creep".

In a normal car with a running motor and a automatic transmission, if you let your foot off the gas, the car starts to move, just from the idle of the motor. (As a young driver raised on stick shifts, this phenomenon freaked me out when I first got in a car so equipped. Cue the classic "surge, stop" action.)

Originally, the Tesla did not do this, and folks found it disconcerting. So they added artificial "creep" in to the system to mimic it.

The basic point is that it shows what kind of access the over-air update that the Tesla software has to the platform.
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Re: Can Our Jeeps Be Hacked?

Uconnect doesn't update over the air. The update files are too large, and an interruption could brick the radio. The aircard, and apps do update over the air, and the aircard is always active, whether you subscribe or not. It's a 3g connection, and has all the capabilities that a cellphone has. I believe the 911 feature works even if you let your subscription lapse, although I haven't tried it. There are also other transponders in the vehicle for the remote start, keyless entry, etc. If these systems can be hacked, and their security can be overridden, you can kiss your vehicle goodbye. Wait untill Google perfects the self driving vehicle. You will be your vehicle's prisoner. How's that for some paranoia!
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Uconnect doesn't update over the air. The update files are too large, and an interruption could brick the radio. The aircard, and apps do update over the air, and the aircard is always active, whether you subscribe or not. It's a 3g connection, and has all the capabilities that a cellphone has. I believe the 911 feature works even if you let your subscription lapse, although I haven't tried it. There are also other transponders in the vehicle for the remote start, keyless entry, etc. If these systems can be hacked, and their security can be overridden, you can kiss your vehicle goodbye. Wait untill Google perfects the self driving vehicle. You will be your vehicle's prisoner. How's that for some paranoia!
SXM also updates over the air...
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And NOBODY even mentioned the "black box" in vehicles...

Per and earlier post, facial recognition software is down right scary! You can be tracked without anything on you to track you...they just use your face. For example, they capture your face on a camera and match it to driver's license records....almost instantly they can identify you or down to a dozen people they then manual go through for final ID. And now have the capability to use online photos such as from Facebook, texting photos, you name it. All to keep us secure. The U.S. Supreme Court just came out with a unanimous decision on the ridiculous reach of the federal government....an entertaining decision to read.

Government needs limits.

""The global need to prevent chemical warfare does not require the federal government to reach into the kitchen cupboard, or to treat a local assault with a chemical irritant as the deployment of a chemical weapon," Chief Justice Roberts wrote."

Supreme Court Limits Use of Chemical Weapons Treaty for Domestic Crimes - WSJ

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