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Old 02-18-2013, 09:00 PM
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And you understand that other people can be happy with and proud of what they own even if its not what you choose to own. THAT is the biggest issue IMHO.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:12 AM
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My family has both a ML500 and a WK2 and everytime my parents give me a choice of which one I want to use I always pick the WK2. The WK2 my dad has is the V6 Laredo X but I still pick the WK2 over the V8 ML500 because it is the nicer car and it is newer. My mom drives the 04 ML500 and I will admit it is a nice car but I like the Grand Cherokee so much better. My dad drives the WK2 because it is similar to the newer MB M-Class but the WK2 has a lot more features than the ML500. The WK2 also has a much smoother ride to it. I love both the MB M-Class and the WK2 but I have always liked Jeeps a lot more an always will.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:06 PM
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Re: Can you believe these guys

Holy crap...an '04???
I would choose riding my lawnmower over that thing. Some would argue that the '98 AA program was the absolute low point in MB engineering and execution. I believe there were few after that....
Is there still a frame underneath it?
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Yeah a 2004 ML is hardly an example of what a modern ML is like.
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The 04 ML was so bad, that Mercedes Benz dumped over 700 million dollars in robotic upgrades to the Alabama plant before the 2005 debut of the W164. Which is the ML I had owned. Even so, both the W163 and W164 was available with permanent 4Matic four-wheel drive, which routed torque to all four wheels through all open front, center, and rear differentials. The system used a two-speed BorgWarner transfer case, and MB's new Four-wheel Electronic Traction System (4-ETS). The Four-wheel Electronic Traction System was said to perform excellent for light off road use, but could cause unpredictable handling in real off road conditions As I found out.
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Re: Can you believe these guys

It's pretty obnoxious, but.. who cares? My line of cars before I got my 2012 GC was this:
2002 BMW X5 4.4
2003 BMW 330xi
2007 BMW 335i
2007 MINI Cooper S
I then had a 2010 Audi Q7 TDI, and briefly had a 2011 Wrangler Rubicon then a 2011 VW GTi as second cars. I sold the VW when I moved to Florida, and traded the Q7 for the Jeep.

Frankly, the Jeep is the most practical car I've ever owned (overall) and is probably tied with the Audi for my favorite. In terms of refinement, fit and finish, etc., it's a little rough around the edges compared with an Audi or MB. The Hemi isn't quite as smooth, the transmission isn't quite as smooth, it floats a little more on the highway. But it is a DAMN fine car. I've been a die-hard Land Rover fan since I was old enough to know what one is. I'd give my left leg for a Range Rover. However, in order to have a Land Rover of any sort with the equipment levels in my Overland, it would (at minimum) have to be a full-size Range Rover Supercharged, costing about $110k+. What are you really paying for, aside from brand recognition? I'd love to be driving around in one, but every time I see one driving (especially a RR Sport), I just think to myself how stupid that person is for spending $20k or so more on the Sport than I did on my Jeep, but getting less for the money!

The dealership experience at Jeep is hit and miss at best. I had great experiences with the MINI and BMW dealerships, very good experiences with Audi. I've had my GC serviced at two dealerships in South Florida (one was downright awful, to the point that I filed a complaint with Chrysler- it was in the midst of dealing with my QL failure, the other was acceptable) and one here in New Hampshire. The one here isn't spectacular, isn't awful, but gets things done quickly and cheaply with friendly service. With my Q7, an oil change was about $400 and took 8-9 hours. The Jeep takes 20 minutes and is free....
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Re: Can you believe these guys

I think the new cherokee is great and it compares well with the ML, X5 and touareg.

We were planning on getting an X5 b/c we like Bmws a lot and have 2 of them. But the cherokee was about the same and it was 15-20k less. I actually prefer how the cherokee drives!

Go jeep for building a great product although the dealers don't even compare.
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