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Re: Caught On Fire

Just an FYI, the Sun Visor recall procedure was modified/revised a couple months ago (August 2015).

Link to revised bulletin:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P3614...n_Aug_2015.pdf

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Re: Caught On Fire

Having read the service bulletin and all the steps involved, there is no way I would let the morons at my selling dealer do this to my GC......they couldn't get the trailer wiring to work until trip #3, and then loaded the wrong software update, rendering my HVAC inoperative. I bought mine new and the headliner/sunvisors have never been touched/removed in any way. It still appears the risk comes from improper servicing, not improper work at the plant. Unless I misreading something, I have no risk/need for the recall do I?
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Old 11-08-2015, 07:18 PM
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Just an FYI, the Sun Visor recall procedure was modified/revised a couple months ago (August 2015).

Link to revised bulletin:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P3614...n_Aug_2015.pdf
As jeeps continue to catch fire that have had that original procedure completed should we consider the original procedure unsatisfactory and do we need to take our Jeeps back in for this revised procedure that involves new parts and additional taping if we had the original procedure completed vs the new one? Seems like it's only a matter of time before one of these Jeeps catches fire parked in someone's garage. It bothers me to see repaired vehicles catch fire and now a revised procedure out with different improved parts which seems to point to the original procedure being unsatisfactory vs dealer sloppyness in the repaired Jeeps that burnt.
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Re: Caught On Fire

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Having read the service bulletin and all the steps involved, there is no way I would let the morons at my selling dealer do this to my GC......they couldn't get the trailer wiring to work until trip #3, and then loaded the wrong software update, rendering my HVAC inoperative. I bought mine new and the headliner/sunvisors have never been touched/removed in any way. It still appears the risk comes from improper servicing, not improper work at the plant. Unless I misreading something, I have no risk/need for the recall do I?
Correct - and I agree, there's no way I would let a dealer rip into my vehicle as long as everything is working fine from the factory.
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Re: Caught On Fire

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Just an FYI, the Sun Visor recall procedure was modified/revised a couple months ago (August 2015).

Link to revised bulletin:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P3614...n_Aug_2015.pdf

What is unchanged:


Copyright 2015, Chrysler Group LLC, All Rights Reserved
Revised
August
20
1
5
Dealer Service Instructions for:
Safety Recall
P36
/
NHTSA
14
V
-
391
Sun Visor Wiring
NOTE:
The service procedure to repair vehicles involved in this recall has been
modified. A new tape procedure has been
added,
new parts have been added to
the parts section
and the labor time
allowance
has been increased.
20
11

20
14
(
WD
)
Dodge
Durango
(WK)
Jeep

Grand Cherokee
NOTE: This recall applies only to the above vehicles
equipped with a
sun visor
vanity light (
sales code GNC
)
built through
December 11, 2013
(MDH
121119
)
.
The sun visor vanity lamp wiring
on about
651,000
of the above vehicles
may
experience a high resistance short after a service repair to the sun visor, headliner
or while gaining
access above the headliner. This may result in an inoperative
vanity lamp and
an increased risk of
fire.

-- So my car I bought new hasn't had someone mess with the liner, so I'm not letting anyone mess with my liner. Anyone, even Fiat.

The recall wording does imply it is just the vanity mirror light wire that is the issue. I really wish Fiat would just leak a simple "FIX" to someone like Milous to f-ing cut that wire and tape it off and be done with this stupid risk.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:42 PM
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Re: Caught On Fire

I also had problems after the recall was done. The drive home was fine. The day after on first start up the wipers wouldn't turn off and all the dash controls were dead. I had one blown fuse but it wasn't on the circuit with the visor short. I removed the passenger visor, repaired the wiring, replaced the fuse and everything was OK.

The following week I received an email from Jeep requesting feedback on my recent service. I gave a detailed explanation of the events but never heard back. The lack of follow up from the Jeep regarding my survey bothers me more than shoddy work done at the dealership.

I'm also pissed that, as the owner of a '12 Altitude and a '14 Laredo, I only bother with the recall work hoping I'll get a mopar gift card....they manage to fill my mailbox with recalls but seem to always miss me on the giftcards.
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Re: Caught On Fire

FYI - I had the recall completed on my 2012 GC earlier this year and spoke with a service manager at my dealership about this thread. He told me they had vehicles come in which were bought at another dealership and records indicated the recall had been completed. BUT they found it had not been done as reported and they completed the recall. They then had to struggle with C/F to be paid for the work since C/F records indicated the recall had been completed.
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Re: Caught On Fire

I brought my vehicle into a reliable service department. No work was ever done on the sunroof or wiring. I'm pretty sure the service department decided to let well enough alone. Nothing seemed disturbed but it is always in the back of the mind. I've had 2 dealers sending me noticed that they want to buy back my WK2 almost every other month. My thoughts on this are I'm not messing with something not already broken. I never use that vanity lamp. I've never had sun roof problems. I do open the observation Windows and occasionally use the vent option, but during Winters I'm parked out doors and never use the sunroof assembly. Putting fixes by guys unfamiliar with electronics and electrical engineering in general is a bad idea. I'll keep that which isn't broken. If it catches fire, there will be some nasty tort attorney involved. It has been to the dealer for all updates.
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Re: Caught On Fire

The fix for this should be a fuse, the fix for the fuel pump relay should be a whole new ECU not an added on module - that also fail sometimes.. I'm very unlikely to ever by a Fiat again due to these recall issues.. Oh, and my fuel pump relay repair can't even be done yet because my dealer still doesn't have the parts!
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The fix for this should be a fuse, the fix for the fuel pump relay should be a whole new ECU not an added on module - that also fail sometimes.. I'm very unlikely to ever by a Fiat again due to these recall issues.. Oh, and my fuel pump relay repair can't even be done yet because my dealer still doesn't have the parts!

It's bizarre as I'm glad Jeep is making the appropriate recalls. We have 2 CR-V in the household. They rarely ever have recalls, not because they aren't needed but even with TSBs being released many have to arm wrestle service managers to get them done. The latest Gen 4 CR-V has serious issues with their CVT and rough idling. There have been firmware updates but plenty of people going back and buying one year old models with auto 5 speeds they can auto shift.

Much is about perception. When you pay high dollars for SUBs we expect them to work right the first time. This is what bringing a product to market is all about.

We the consumer are pretty tolerant about a mass recall but still get irked. When it comes to multiple recalls years from the release date that tends to push people in other directions.

I went and bought Jeep with full knowledge that they are temperamental and you need to follow up with them and maintain them completely.

The grass is always greener somewhere or so they say. I don't like the look of Acura, Lexus and especially Infiniti. Considering all the mass of options on the Jeep I have fared well while it's obvious others have not. A dealer and manufacturer should stand 100% behind their high end vehicles but Jeep hasn't done this. This is expected out of VW. They have some great models but some unbelievable horror stories as well. Even Audi has issues and they sport serious attitude at dealers trying to get things made right.

There is always a predictable Tahoe or Yukon depending on what you use your Jeep for. The Murano is similarly priced but it's a vehicle that can't do anything really well besides being ass ugly. Pilots aren't a pretty vehicle but plain Jane. That doesn't leave many options. Ford has rust issues. If you live in the rust belt you know this. They refuse to widen their drainage holes and their are just too many buggy infotainment issues as well.

I don't want another Rover. It's horrid to maintain and expensive to operate. Fairly reliable considering that their base V-8 has continually been revamped from a licensed Buick V-8, bought in the late 50s. You can't even get a modern defender model. I have some big defended friends and everything has to be after marketed. Frustrating beyond belief. MB and BMW are just too expensive for what they deliver and insurance is massive.

Really I'm driving this until its wheels fall off and hope there are better options in future years, perhaps from Mazda or General Motors. I won't hold my breathe though.
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It's bizarre as I'm glad Jeep is making the appropriate recalls. We have 2 CR-V in the household. They rarely ever have recalls, not because they aren't needed but even with TSBs being released many have to arm wrestle service managers to get them done. The latest Gen 4 CR-V has serious issues with their CVT and rough idling. There have been firmware updates but plenty of people going back and buying one year old models with auto 5 speeds they can auto shift.

Much is about perception. When you pay high dollars for SUBs we expect them to work right the first time. This is what bringing a product to market is all about.

We the consumer are pretty tolerant about a mass recall but still get irked. When it comes to multiple recalls years from the release date that tends to push people in other directions.

I went and bought Jeep with full knowledge that they are temperamental and you need to follow up with them and maintain them completely.

The grass is always greener somewhere or so they say. I don't like the look of Acura, Lexus and especially Infiniti. Considering all the mass of options on the Jeep I have fared well while it's obvious others have not. A dealer and manufacturer should stand 100% behind their high end vehicles but Jeep hasn't done this. This is expected out of VW. They have some great models but some unbelievable horror stories as well. Even Audi has issues and they sport serious attitude at dealers trying to get things made right.

There is always a predictable Tahoe or Yukon depending on what you use your Jeep for. The Murano is similarly priced but it's a vehicle that can't do anything really well besides being ass ugly. Pilots aren't a pretty vehicle but plain Jane. That doesn't leave many options. Ford has rust issues. If you live in the rust belt you know this. They refuse to widen their drainage holes and their are just too many buggy infotainment issues as well.

I don't want another Rover. It's horrid to maintain and expensive to operate. Fairly reliable considering that their base V-8 has continually been revamped from a licensed Buick V-8, bought in the late 50s. You can't even get a modern defender model. I have some big defended friends and everything has to be after marketed. Frustrating beyond belief. MB and BMW are just too expensive for what they deliver and insurance is massive.

Really I'm driving this until its wheels fall off and hope there are better options in future years, perhaps from Mazda or General Motors. I won't hold my breathe though.
Good logic and a lot of personal preference, which is fine..

I will surprise myself if I don't get a Tahoe next. But my 2012 v8 overland has been "reliable" and nice. It rides "small" especially at speed, and can move out with a full load. But it is on its second water pump after 30K, the fuel pump relay and liner fires are my concern. Dashboard was replaced in 1 year... We on a forum like this probably do maintain and watch our cars and prevent catastrophes more so than the average owners. This changes a car experience significantly. The waterpump in my car had just started leaking when I found it - no biggie, not in Wyoming with my family in tow.. Because I know what to look for.. I really like the suspension that MB provided, but i doubt I'll get 10 years out of the air ride. Wranglers always get the worst reliability ratings in CR, but then if you care for them they will climb mountains for decades! And their resale is always super high.. I actually like my JGC, but the company was fined this year for lack of recall action. And here I sit waiting for parts since April. WTF?

So a tahoe or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer in 2018?? I'll get a Tahoe next.
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LOL, I was so worried about the TIPM and Visor recalls I traded in my 2012 and got a 2015. Problem solved. No way was I going to let some guy pull out my TIPM and start cutting wires. Just knowing that was going to happen was harping on my OCD something fierce.
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