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Re: Changes for 2015?

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This one might compromise towing capabilities; specifically stability and stopping.
The 2013 Range Rover lost over 800lbs and the 2014 Range Rover Sport also lost the same amount of weight with latest redesign. The weight loss didnt had no effect on stability or towing. How does less weight effect stopping?
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The 2013 Range Rover lost over 800lbs and the 2014 Range Rover Sport also lost the same amount of weight with latest redesign. The weight loss didnt had no effect on stability or towing. How does less weight effect stopping?
The bigger the difference in weight between the towing vehicle and trailer the more the trailer is going to effect the tow vehicle. Think of it this way. Pull 6200 lbs which is the capacity of a 14 with a v6. Something happens and you have no trailer brakes and you have a pannic stop. Your only going to get so much traction on your tires from your vehicle weight and the trailer weight. There is good odds your brakes can overcome that and lock up (abs aside). Now take 1000 pounds off of your vehicle weight. You just lost 1000 pounds of traction for stopping. Same principle as adding sand to the back of a truck to get traction. Yes the extra 1000 pounds will cause you to take longer to stop normally, but I think in the case of pulling a trailer, I would much rather have the extra weight, I would also much rather have steel everywhere than aluminum and plastic. Aluminum flexes too much.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

My vote is for a front camera system, maybe introduced on the new Trailhawk, that works similar to the "Parkview" backup camera, but shows your path ahead and a bit to the side. It would automatically engage in "Rock" mode or other situations up to 10 mph or so if desired. Integrate it with the front parking assist sensors and it would be a really powerful feature; like having a spotter available to you at any time.

It would be awesome on trails and on rock. I am surprised that Wranglers don't have it already. It would also be very useful in parking lots or garages.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

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I believe the WK2 already alerts a driver for certain issues when locking (like leaving the headlights on). And I don't believe the vehicle will confirm locking (with a beep and/or flash) unless it actually does.

They can only go so far in attempting to make modern vehicles idiot proof. Even then, someone will go and come out with a better idiot.
Kids. Even Albert Einstein was one once and things happen with kids. To say nothing of you, or me or any one of us. People make mistakes. Sometimes even stupid mistakes and no amount of smart can totally protect someone from making a stupid mistake on the odd occasion.

Regardless (some) manufacturers make the whole door locking thing too hard. My other car beeps once at unlock, twice at lock and 3 times if all doors do not show properly closed or you left the keys inside. Simple, easy, and painless and I never have to look to know that the car has properly locked itself. Further it does not beep the fricken main horn. It has a separate speaker that is loud enough to be heard but not loud enough to be an annoyance to me or anyone else. A few cents at an automakers buying power covers said speaker. Why I still have to hear the main horn beep is beyond me and its something that everyone I know who has had German and other cars that do it right complain about because once you have seen it done right its an annoyance every single time the horn beeps.

And why cant I set the car to auto lock when I get out? Lots of cars do this and its how it should be done. I ran into it nearly ten years ago with my first C6 and when I read about it I thought "huh, what if I'm just getting out for a second in a safe area and I don't want it to lock?" but that was before I really understood these systems. Unlocking is free, it costs you nothing. The door unlocks when you touch the handle, the end. In your mind you associate unlocking the doors with a step you have to take and this is what makes you think that the you don't want the door to lock automatically because there is no need and you will then have to take a separate step. You haven't figured out that it doesn't matter, unlocking is free. Once you have had auto lock you will wonder why in hell it isn't in every keyless system as an option. And yes, on such systems you get a cue for locking properly and also if the car fails to lock itself because the doors are not properly shut or you left they keys in it which is of course another stupid mistake but it happens.

If I'm in charge I recognize that locking is an area that people notice because they have to specifically attend to it and making it seamless increases satisfaction. Since most of this requires either no mechanical change or very little this would be a good candidate to improve in a minor update year. The other gripes I have are already covered so thats all I have to add.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

Two thumbs up for auto-locking. I didn't know anyone did it but after I got my keyless entry it just seemed obvious to me!
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Re: Changes for 2015?

My wishlist for 2015:

* Auto stop/start on the diesel when in Eco mode.
* Full LED tails (including brake and signal)
* More powerful navigation hardware (faster processor, more RAM, unlocked LTE chip)
* Option for black plastic lower trim (front and rear fascia, wheel arch trim) on Overland.
* Heavier duty transmission skid plate (use aluminum at least vs. plastic)
* Dark carpet for the brown interior option on the Overland.
* Front park sensors and headlight washers available on the Overland.
* Surround camera option.
* 18" version of the Overland's 20" wheel design.


My guess of what will actually be offered for 2015:

* Decontent, for the same price.
* A couple of new colors.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:02 PM
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Re: Changes for 2015?

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The bigger the difference in weight between the towing vehicle and trailer the more the trailer is going to effect the tow vehicle. Think of it this way. Pull 6200 lbs which is the capacity of a 14 with a v6. Something happens and you have no trailer brakes and you have a pannic stop. Your only going to get so much traction on your tires from your vehicle weight and the trailer weight. There is good odds your brakes can overcome that and lock up (abs aside). Now take 1000 pounds off of your vehicle weight. You just lost 1000 pounds of traction for stopping. Same principle as adding sand to the back of a truck to get traction. Yes the extra 1000 pounds will cause you to take longer to stop normally, but I think in the case of pulling a trailer, I would much rather have the extra weight, I would also much rather have steel everywhere than aluminum and plastic. Aluminum flexes too much.

I agree with you 100%, but if they cared THAT much about stopping distance, they'd supply us with better tires then Forteras.

Drop 800 pounds off the GC and swap the Fortera's with LTX M2's and towing/stopping/handling would improve across the board.
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For me i would like Jeep to now concentrate on quality,fit and finish and making the vehicle do what they advertise it will.
Why an one wants more toys when to date the current toys barley work.

Fix the current bugs
Option with the Adventure Off road pack is dual battery system at least n the TH Jeep could replace the Sub Woofer with a duel battery system
As the GC is a 4x4 it should be able to carry a ca fridge for the beer
Also i would like is a bigger fuel tank or an additional tank perhaps under the huge unused space under the spare tyre area maybe 40lts would be good.
Australia is a big place and some times a long way between fuel stops.
But most of all fix the current issues consolidate what you have get it right
Metal plate in place of the plastic thing under the engine sump and correct front recovery points for Australia would be good too.

Thats my wish list

Oh missed one more item
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I agree with you 100%, but if they cared THAT much about stopping distance, they'd supply us with better tires then Forteras.

Drop 800 pounds off the GC and swap the Fortera's with LTX M2's and towing/stopping/handling would improve across the board.
I also wonder why the GC is so heavy. I noticed that the Lexus GX460 weighs about the same but it is a real body on frame vehicle compared to the GC's unibody, so it has an excuse. I guess Jeep just didn't want to use lightweight materials on the GC due to the cost.
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I also wonder why the GC is so heavy. I noticed that the Lexus GX460 weighs about the same but it is a real body on frame vehicle compared to the GC's unibody, so it has an excuse. I guess Jeep just didn't want to use lightweight materials on the GC due to the cost.
The vehicle isn't that heavy given what it's designed for. First of all, look at the Mercedes GL series (close cousin)...it's even heavier by a good margin.

The GC isn't really a "unibody"...well, it IS, but the stiffening and setup are closer to an integrated frame/unibody, which is why it's often called a "uniframe." It's still a monocoque type of setup, but with more material needed than the traditional light-duty unibody found in most cars.

There's quite a bit of lightweight material used on the GC. Lots of aluminum, carefully designed structural elements, and so forth. But, one thing you have to consider is that it still needs to be able to go off-road (requires strength and resilience), and they are aiming for a more upscale market now which requires it to be more quiet. That takes sound deadening material as well as a stiff/strong structure (which invariable means weight unless you use composites and so forth, which would push the GC out of the affordability range for most). Weight in and of itself deadens a lot of sound.

You can go back to the lighter-weight GCs of past (which people thought were heavy then) but...you lose a lot too. They were simpler, didn't have the amenities, rattled, were noisy (by comparison), etc.

In reality, if you want light weight, you really shouldn't be buying a truck anyway.
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I also wonder why the GC is so heavy. I noticed that the Lexus GX460 weighs about the same but it is a real body on frame vehicle compared to the GC's unibody...
If I'm not mistaken, the GX460 is the same platform as the Sequoia and Tundra.
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If I'm not mistaken, the GX460 is the same platform as the Sequoia and Tundra.
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While we are on the subject, I would like to say that the GX460 is inferior to the JGC in just about every way. I can say that because I own one (2010 with every option, same as 2013 model, same as 2014 model other than a few styling cues). There are a few things on the Lexus that I like better than the Jeep, but in terms of content, the only things the Lexus has that the Jeep doesn't are a surround camera system and front parking sensors (the latter could have been solved if I bought a Summit, but I don't really care), while there are many features that the Jeep has that the Lexus lacks. If I did not know the brands and sat in both, I would guess that the Jeep costs more by a significant amount. More power, more refinement, more features, more leather, more wood, better ride, better handling (by FAR, the Lexus is a boat and feels almost unstable above 60 MPH), and far superior styling (inside and out) to mention a few. The Lexus also has numerous rattles and feels like it wasn't bolted together very well, where the Jeep feels incredibly solid and has no rattles whatsoever. Oh, did I mention the Lexus stickered at ~$15K more? I am replacing it soon, either with a JGC SRT or a RRS. Personally, I like the JGC SRT more (value, American made, American muscle), but since this will not be my DD, my opinion doesn't matter apparently . Maybe I will get a JGC SRT for myself when I replace my Infiniti, although I've always had sedans. Either way, I'm definitely going to try to buy American this time around. The only foreign vehicle I would consider for myself is the Audi S6 for the AWD. If Cadillac puts AWD into the CTS Vsport or the new CTS-V, there is no chance I am buying anything foreign.


Now, back on topic .

What I want:

-More power
-Better brakes
-HK system in Overland
-Adaptive Headlights and headlight washers in Overland
-Front parking sensors on Overland
-Some new colors (new blue, new green that is still dark but not as dark as BFG, return of Rugged Brown, and most importantly, BLOOD ORANGE)
-Fully-electronic instrument panel
-Option for more aggressive tires from factory
-Ability to add ORAII without losing 20" wheels
-More rim options (a 19" rim would be a nice compromise)
-Special editions (Trailhawk II, or at least Blood Orange, I really want that color)
-Surround-view camera system
-Return of Saddle interior


What is likely:

-Price increase
-Some software upgrades that add a few new features
-New exterior colors
-Possibly a new interior color
-Changes in standard and optional equipment without adding new content (e.g., RA3 standard on Limited, RA4 available on Laredo, etc.)
-A few new features that don't really matter but you wish you had anyways
-Some special edition models
-Loss of a feature for no apparent reason
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