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Or the old shifter, the 14' shifter is awkward. At the same time though, I don't think you would want to overdue the cabin, having dials all over the place.
Sport mode works much better on the current shifter though. I like the slapshift feel.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

One thing for 2017 I'd like to see is if they could possibly shave some weight off the current Jeep Grand Cherokee which should benefit performance and efficiency. Now of course if the weight loss caused a noticeable sacrifice in quality/ruggedness/quiet then rather not see that.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:10 AM
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Or the old shifter, the 14' shifter is awkward. At the same time though, I don't think you would want to overdue the cabin, having dials all over the place.
They could use voice activated shifting.

uConnect would have to be tuned to require an annunciated "F" or it could be shifting a bit too often.

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One thing for 2017 I'd like to see is if they could possibly shave some weight off the current Jeep Grand Cherokee which should benefit performance and efficiency. Now of course if the weight loss caused a noticeable sacrifice in quality/ruggedness/quiet then rather not see that.
On the other hand, this would be detrimental to those who do some serious towing with their JGC. The mass is very helpful in controlling the larger loads, especially for stopping.
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On the other hand, this would be detrimental to those who do some serious towing with their JGC. The mass is very helpful in controlling the larger loads, especially for stopping.
I don't buy that argument. Ford is losing 700lbs with their aluminum '15 F150s, and raising towing capacity without increasing engine size. I am sure you will hear that the the '14s will be the "last of the good ones", but only until dealer stocks of the old, heavy '14s go away...

Losing weight is a total win in all respects. Better performance, better MPG, better hauling capability with the same power, etc.

I think it is a no brainer that the '17 Grand Cherokee will come with a significant weight reduction and it will be better than the current WK2s in virtually all respects.
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On the other hand, this would be detrimental to those who do some serious towing with their JGC. The mass is very helpful in controlling the larger loads, especially for stopping.
A serious weight loss of 700 to 900lbs didnt hurt the 2013 Range Rover and 2014 Range Rover Sport in their ability to tow and ability to control larger loads.

JGC could lose a 150lbs easy if V8 is still offered in 2017 by going to an aluminum block. Weight loss is coming to meet 2018 CAFE requirements and V8s maybe going in everything but 1 ton pick ups.

The other way for JGC to lose weight is by the tried and true Fiat method ie rust.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

I agree with the "better in every way" for the 2017. I also think auto purchasing is evolving where the buying decision will be based on the electronics packages available, with the engine and body just being wrappers around the electronics. That means the 'electronics' includes ACC, lane adherence, front collision, etc.

That belief is the very reason I am in a quandary about buying an extended warranty for the JGC I have currently on order. Barring any real disappointments from the Fiat influence, I am fully expecting to want to trade/upgrade my incoming 2014 JGC for a 2017/2018.

We have a 2013 SHO with the Microsoft system. This is the top of the line for Ford in the Taurus. It is painful, but pretty to look at. Just to give you an idea, last week we got a 'low tire pressure warning' (the tire outline with the exclamation point in it.) Not too concerned, because of the cold weather, etc. However, there is no way to see individual tire pressures! Only the yellow dash symbol. Even my 1995 Corvette could tell individual tire pressures!

I am expecting much better from uConnect in the JGC.

We'll see......
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A serious weight loss of 700 to 900lbs didnt hurt the 2013 Range Rover and 2014 Range Rover Sport in their ability to tow and ability to control larger loads.

JGC could lose a 150lbs easy if V8 is still offered in 2017 by going to an aluminum block. Weight loss is coming to meet 2018 CAFE requirements and V8s maybe going in everything but 1 ton pick ups.

The other way for JGC to lose weight is by the tried and true Fiat method ie rust.
No rust please! I was thinking a 150-300 per trim level weight loss would really help. When I was researching vehicles I knew my old highlander was around 4266 compared to the Jeep 4677 weight. Little did I know that was the Laredo weight, the Overland puts that up to 4,984 .

Now kudos to Jeep that a vehicle around 700 pounds heavier returning similar mileage to my old vehicle but if they could shave some weight off I bet mileage and performance would improve nicely.

Also I guess those front tow hooks on the Overland add some weight because the Summit weighs about 29 pounds less according to Jeeps site.
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No rust please! I was thinking a 150-300 per trim level weight loss would really help. When I was researching vehicles I knew my old highlander was around 4266 compared to the Jeep 4677 weight. Little did I know that was the Laredo weight, the Overland puts that up to 4,984 .

Now kudos to Jeep that a vehicle around 700 pounds heavier returning similar mileage to my old vehicle but if they could shave some weight off I bet mileage and performance would improve nicely.

Also I guess those front tow hooks on the Overland add some weight because the Summit weighs about 29 pounds less according to Jeeps site.
Jeep could easy lose 500+lbs with the use of aluminum and some thought to weight loss. A little more effort and they could lose an easy 900lbs.
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Re: Changes for 2015?

I wonder when Chrysler will start building their own high torque capacity eight speed transmission (870RE or maybe 890RE?) instead of buying the 8HP70 from ZF? I would think that would be a huge cost saving measure.
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I wonder when Chrysler will start building their own high torque capacity eight speed transmission (870RE or maybe 890RE?) instead of buying the 8HP70 from ZF? I would think that would be a huge cost saving measure.
I think that's been the plan from the beginning. They are just doing it one step at a time, which is a good thing. They will still have to pay licensing fees.
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Regarding the new transmissions, you have to understand that Chrysler's plants are very near 100% capacity. They just bought a new transmission plant that will desperately be needed.

IMO, they sold way too much in the bankruptcy and was not expecting the industry to jump back like it has. All Chrysler really needed was some good vehicles, which they did not have previously. Soon, they will be able to build all of the transmissions they want. They have already been able to build many engines!

Weight loss, no comment, I don't have a clue right now.

Fiat influence? Yeah uh, you do realize that there was no merger, right? Chrysler and Fiat are still kinda free to do whatever they want.

See Renault and Nissan.
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