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Old 02-10-2014, 08:51 PM
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I like the 14 shifter over the 13 shifter in my SRT'S as well. I don't get what people have a problem with. It's not rocket science folks...1, 2, 3 clicks and it's in drive. It's made so monkeys can operate it....lol
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Sorry about the monkey thing...that was an inside joke. My boss used to tell me years ago my job was so simple monkeys could do it....lol
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:58 PM
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Re: Changes for 2015?

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I like the 14 shifter over the 13 shifter in my SRT'S as well. I don't get what people have a problem with. It's not rocket science folks...1, 2, 3 clicks and it's in drive. It's made so monkeys can operate it....lol
Not all of us.

I seldom use Sport mode. I used it the other day and went into neutral trying to go back into drive. It's just not intuitive after 40+ years of going back by going in the opposite direction.

But I can find drive and reverse most of the time, and usually choose the right one.


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Re: Changes for 2015?

Maybe it would help if it gave you a piece of fruit or a nut when you hit the right gear?
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Not all of us.

I seldom use Sport mode. I used it the other day and went into neutral trying to go back into drive. It's just not intuitive after 40+ years of going back by going in the opposite direction.

But I can find drive and reverse most of the time, and usually choose the right one.


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The other day I couldn't figure out what the green flag on my dash was. After a few minutes of poking around I realized I had accidentally put the Jeep into Sport Mode (was used to the dial on the '11) models.

It is a pretty big difference in shifting between sport mode and regular, now the problem is I never take it out of sport mode!!!
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Re: Changes for 2015?

You know, I feel bad for the 2016 year model. All this talk about '15 and '17 the poor '16 is just getting over looked
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They could use voice activated shifting.

uConnect would have to be tuned to require an annunciated "F" or it could be shifting a bit too often.

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And where to you get your info??? For example, while an all-aluminum engine can be made to last 150k-200k miles, that is generally pushing an upper limit. And you better not overheat it. Really! I have had all aluminum BMW engines last for 250K miles w/o a rebuild and they had 1000+ hours of track time on them. I know BMW and GM V8s with 300K+ miles on them w/o any issues still going strong. Porsche has had all aluminum engines for decades some turbocharged 3.3l putting out over 800hp w/o any issues. And damn they air cooled. A well designed engine with an aluminum block will last just as long and maybe longer than a cast iron block.

Land Rover might get away with it because it's clientele will generally not be doing as much with the vehicles--they simply cost too much. It might be interesting to see how many of the newer RRs are on the market for off-road use 7-10 years from now and how they are holding up structurally. Again where do you get your info??? Land Rover has been using aluminum for years. Not doing as much please drop the bias and bigotry. Land Rover has done a hell lot more with the Range Rover Sport than the Jeep has with JGC.
Many Range Rover owners take their vehicles off road etc. BTW the first ever Land Rover prototype was made out of aluminum back in 1947 and the first Land Rovers had aluminum bodies.

Jeep has to move to aluminum to meet the new fuel mileage regs in 2018 and beyond.
I don't think Jeep will move to Aluminum in the upcoming generation. Chrysler does not have any experience with building Aluminum cars, and I doubt they would experiment with one of their cash cows. Ford has a long history of using aluminum...they were one of the pioneers of this when they owned Jaguar.
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I don't think Jeep will move to Aluminum in the upcoming generation. Chrysler does not have any experience with building Aluminum cars, and I doubt they would experiment with one of their cash cows. Ford has a lot of experience with aluminum from when they owned Jaguar and Aston Martin.
Not that hard to make aluminum body panels vs. steel. They already do it with our hoods...
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Not that hard to make aluminum body panels vs. steel. They already do it with our hoods...
It is actually very different when you start using the aluminum for load bearing parts. Aluminum parts need to be fastened with adhesives and rivets rather than being welded. It takes a lot of know-how, and is a huge competitive advantage for Ford as the new CAFE rules come into play. This type of corporate know-how needs to be gained from low volume products first then expanded to the high volume products.
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Aluminum can be welded.

My company and Alcoa are working together on the f150 to produce the aluminum panels. We are expanding our oswego, NY plant with a 350 million dollar expansion for this. All of the panels will be made using novels fusion technology. It's a technology that uses 2 different alloys in one sheet. The alloys are cast into one ingot and when rolled out....One allow for each side of the sheet. One can be an alloy for strength and one for flexibility and so forth. Whatever the customer calls for.
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It is actually very different when you start using the aluminum for load bearing parts. Aluminum parts need to be fastened with adhesives and rivets rather than being welded. It takes a lot of know-how, and is a huge competitive advantage for Ford as the new CAFE rules come into play. This type of corporate know-how needs to be gained from low volume products first then expanded to the high volume products.
That's why they're not using it for load bearing parts:

"Beginning with the 2015 models, F-150s will glitter with a lot of aluminum. Instead of steel, just about every visible metal part of the new truck — doors, hood, side panels, bed and tailgate — will be made with aluminum alloys. So will the engine compartment."

Also, aluminum can be welded just as easily as metal... But typically requires more skill, TIG as opposed to MIG. But you can still MIG weld aluminum(MIG is easier for mass production) with the right wire and inert gas.

I've never built a car from aluminum, so maybe riveting and gluing work best for those load bearing parts... But that's not what Ford is doing, and Chrysler could do it just as easily.

Ford just had the balls to try it first. At an extremely high cost mind you. They're supplying every Ford dealership with $50k worth of aluminum-repairing equipment as well as training for body shop employees.

Chrysler needs as much profit as possible right now. My guess is they're not limited by their lack of aluminum know-how...They probably just can't afford an investment like this just yet.
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