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Old 01-02-2014, 08:36 PM
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

CR is a guide period. I don't use it as a bible and I don't agree with many of their "recommendations" when I did choose to purchase a couple and they tanked. Manufacturer Toyota for one paragon of reliability? In my case twice not likely.
Another point to consider is that CR continuously changes their rating scale as the products have improved and making last years model not likely to get as good a rating against this years model because of the changes. I think that is a good idea because all products have improved and what car or truck can't run 100K miles with a couple oil changes these days?
I am comfortable with my decision to buy the diesel JGC and to say this is like the 2004 Touareg is ludicrous. You have no data to make statements like that.

I have been a CR subscriber for about 30 years but I don't blindly follow their advice anymore than I think Carfax gives me the details on a car's history.

CR is most likely justified in no longer recommending the JGC for 14 based on the early teething issues. But as data comes in if it proves reliable that will change and if problems persist it will not.

Until CR members fill the survey out it is pure speculation...
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

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There is no "bias" in CR's reliability ratings. They report to you what owners report to them. It's time we stop posting nonsense like the above and face the facts. They LIKED the GC and recommended it until they saw the number of problems being reported by real, live owners.
I'm not arguing the fact they they liked the GC and then pull it, but you ignoring their bias is nonsense. CR admitting that they will rate certain car manufactures highly without testing the cars first is an admission of bias, it bit them once and I have no doubt they continue to do it.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:09 PM
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Reality check: CR initially gave the thumbs up based on their subjective evaluation. They withdrew the recommendation a few months later due to objective subscriber data.
Reality check right back at you. The recommendation should have been objective all along. They had no right recommending something that has not been put thru the wringer. Since they put out a positive review based on "pictures", it tells me there to never trust CR. Also, why don't they check the reviews on all the builds from mid August on when the bugs were worked out? There were a few months of builds that had issues, but they have been resolved. The current builds get customer ratings of 9/10 or higher across the board. Still don't understand why you are posting in the forums if you hate jeep so much?


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Guess you haven't read the lengthy threads here about the transmission issues. Hard to believe.
I have read almost every thread in this forum. As i said before, the transmission issues have been resolved. The current builds are running smooth with no transmission problems at all. Everything I am referring to is August builds or newer.
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As i said before, the transmission issues have been resolved. The current builds are running smooth with no transmission problems at all.
Not.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:16 PM
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Not.
Go read the ecodiesel threads. All build from mid August on - not a single one with transmission issues.
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There is no "bias" in CR's reliability ratings. They report to you what owners report to them. It's time we stop posting nonsense like the above and face the facts. They LIKED the GC and recommended it until they saw the number of problems being reported by real, live owners.
There is total bias on CR's part. Their surveys are only done among its subscribers most of whom are high income snobs and wouldn't be caught dead in an American vehicle.
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

I have subscribed to CR for 30 years, but I just let my subscription go. They have become a dinosaur. The down grade of the GC is the latest example - where they removed the "recommended" just about 1 month after almost all of the problems they cite were corrected. For many years Toyota could do no wrong with them, so yes they definitely are biased. For years they also down-rated any car with xenon headlights because "they have a sharp cut-off at the top of the light beam", apparently not realizing that all cars with factory xenon have a light shield to protect oncoming drivers so the condition was ubiquitous. They also routinely down-grade cars for having a "complicated dash layout", a valid complaint if you are buying a fleet of rental cars, not so valid if you are buying a personal car that you will be driving daily. Bottom line is they are a consumer products magazine that rates cars. I wouldn't buy a refrigerator based on a recommendation in Motor Trend, and I wouldn't buy a car based (solely) on CR's opinion either.
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I have subscribed to CR for 30 years, but I just let my subscription go. They have become a dinosaur. The down grade of the GC is the latest example - where they removed the "recommended" just about 1 month after almost all of the problems they cite were corrected. For many years Toyota could do no wrong with them, so yes they definitely are biased. For years they also down-rated any car with xenon headlights because "they have a sharp cut-off at the top of the light beam", apparently not realizing that all cars with factory xenon have a light shield to protect oncoming drivers so the condition was ubiquitous. They also routinely down-grade cars for having a "complicated dash layout", a valid complaint if you are buying a fleet of rental cars, not so valid if you are buying a personal car that you will be driving daily. Bottom line is they are a consumer products magazine that rates cars. I wouldn't buy a refrigerator based on a recommendation in Motor Trend, and I wouldn't buy a car based (solely) on CR's opinion either.
CR's SUBSCRIBERS are the reason they withdrew the recommendation. It's all a Commie plot.
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There is total bias on CR's part. Their surveys are only done among its subscribers most of whom are high income snobs and wouldn't be caught dead in an American vehicle.
Those CR "high income snobs" who responded to the survey (alive or dead) OWN a 2014 JGC!
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I have subscribed to CR for 30 years, but I just let my subscription go. They have become a dinosaur. The down grade of the GC is the latest example - where they removed the "recommended" just about 1 month after almost all of the problems they cite were corrected. For many years Toyota could do no wrong with them, so yes they definitely are biased. For years they also down-rated any car with xenon headlights because "they have a sharp cut-off at the top of the light beam", apparently not realizing that all cars with factory xenon have a light shield to protect oncoming drivers so the condition was ubiquitous. They also routinely down-grade cars for having a "complicated dash layout", a valid complaint if you are buying a fleet of rental cars, not so valid if you are buying a personal car that you will be driving daily. Bottom line is they are a consumer products magazine that rates cars. I wouldn't buy a refrigerator based on a recommendation in Motor Trend, and I wouldn't buy a car based (solely) on CR's opinion either.
This. CR has always had a bias against US badged cars and a bias towards Japanese brand cars. Back in the 80's my Ford had their lowest rating, but my car never left me stranded after 185k miles and everything (except the gas gauge) worked. I contrast this with my friends who drove Toyotas and had to tape the interior together to keep stuff from flapping around while driving.
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

Could the trans issue be that the 2014 V6's have the 845 which is now built by Chrysler vs the Hemi and EcoDiesel that are running the ZF built 8hp70? As a potential buyer, the fact that the Hemi and Diesel are running the heavier duty trans and it is built by ZF seems appealing to me over the Chrysler built 845 which is using the ZF license.
I know Chrysler builds great transmissions as I have a 45rfe with 323,000 trouble free miles that has seen a lot of towing, but there might be a learning curve with the new build of the ZF units in-house or worse the bean counters got involved and sourced some low quality china made parts into it.
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Could the trans issue be that the 2014 V6's have the 845 which is now built by Chrysler vs the Hemi and EcoDiesel that are running the ZF built 8hp70? As a potential buyer, the fact that the Hemi and Diesel are running the heavier duty trans and it is built by ZF seems appealing to me over the Chrysler built 845 which is using the ZF license.
I know Chrysler builds great transmissions as I have a 45rfe with 323,000 trouble free miles that has seen a lot of towing, but there might be a learning curve with the new build of the ZF units in-house or worse the bean counters got involved and sourced some low quality china made parts into it.
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Good point. This could explain a lot. My EcoDiesel shifts seamlessly.
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