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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

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My Subaru legacy has incurred about $9000 in maintenance expenses in the last two years. I could have completely replaced the motor had I known it was going to add up like that. You roll the dice with any new car, because they all have issues. Yes, some more than others, but in my opinion, I'd rather drive the car I want and have some issues than drive something bland and boring and not have issues.

Edit: I love my Subaru so much, I'm not selling it when I get my GC in a couple weeks. It's worth it.

What year is your Legacy and what motor ? I have a 2005 turbo and that BL/BP chassis was the best looking car Subaru ever made. At 105,000 miles and plenty of mods, my Subaru still delivers. And since the only realistic replacement would be an STI, there're so point to upgrade when I got something as good if not better in the Legacy GT. Of course, I wish for an RS7 but I must win the Lottery first.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:46 PM
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

I have a 2006 Legacy GT Spec B (2.5 Turbo). #345 of only 500 made that year. 140k miles, rebuilt both heads, replaced wiring harness, replaced intake manafold runner valves. Apparently I ran her a little hard these past few years

I agree, I love the look of that generation. The new gen is just too swoopy, though I'm kinda OK with the STI hatch.

My upgrade would be an RS6, but close enough I was actually toying with the idea of an S4 when I chose the JGC.
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

I do totally agree with CR's comment

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Minor complaint: the combination turn signal and wiper control lever is used for one function too many, and a separate stalk on the other side of the steering column for wipers would simplify things.
My 2002 GC was at the bottom of CR's list too. That's a good sign my 2014 GC will be another good SUV, in the long run. You really have to measure the overall enjoyment of owning a vehicle. I loved my 2002 GC. It had some issues, but overall it was one of my best cars Had it 12 years and 227K and I bought a another. I have Owned GMC, VW, AUDI, Pontiac. I've had back to back GC's since 94.

My daughter owns Accura (tons of expensive problems). Good friend has owned many BMW's with many expensive problems. Friends with Toyota's have had very few problems. Problem is they are the most boring thing on the road and that's fine for some folks.

A Vehicle is an extension of your personality. I'm problematic too so VW's and Jeeps are a good fit.


VW's are at CR's bottom of the list. Our VW's have been great.

The 2014 is a complex Vehicle. The Uconnect, although still buggy, blows competition away.
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I believe CR just took a couple of Toyotas off the recommeded list as well...including the Camry. So, all is not perfect in the land of the rising sun...
Back here in Detroit, there was quite a bit of hype for the '14 GC and some lofty expectations. Hell, they were selling '14s in what...February of 2013? That should have been the first warning. Chrysler just couldn't wait to get the bugs worked out. So, In their haste to get the new GC to market, I guess Jeep simply didn't live up to the hype!
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I do totally agree with CR's comment

My 2002 GC was at the bottom of CR's list too. That's a good sign my 2014 GC will be another good SUV, in the long run. You really have to measure the overall enjoyment of owning a vehicle. I loved my 2002 GC. It had some issues, bu overall it was one of my best cars Had it 12 years and 227K and I bought a another. I have Owned GMC, VW, AUDI, Pontiac. I've had back to back GC's since 94.

My daughter owns Accura (tons of expensive problems). Good friend has owned many BMW's with many expensive problems. Friends with Toyota's have had very few problems. Problem is they are the most boring thing on the road and that's fine for some folks.

A Vehicle is an extension of your personality. I'm problematic too so VW's and Jeeps are a good fit.

VW's are at CR's bottom of the list. Our VW's have been great.

The 2014 is a complex Vehicle. The Uconnect, although still buggy, blows competition away.
I live in SoCal where we had our first rain today since last March so I haven't had to use the wipers....yikes what a contraption!
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Way to go Fiat....

I know this post has nothing to do with Fiat owning Jeep.. but its fun to say. Since they destroyed the Cherokee.. and the "jeepster" concept.

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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

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I love when people think overseas cars are perfect and never fail. Far from the truth, just an old cliche social convention.
There are vehicles that are far more reliable than the JGC; that is a fact. The question is whether a person finds the JGC's reliability acceptable when you also consider the other features of the vehicle.

My 2005 Toyota 4Runner was amazingly reliable. It never had a single electrical or mechanical issue that required a trip to the dealership.
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Re: Consumer Reports Drops Grand Cherokee Recommendation

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I do totally agree with CR's comment



My 2002 GC was at the bottom of CR's list too. That's a good sign my 2014 GC will be another good SUV, in the long run. You really have to measure the overall enjoyment of owning a vehicle. I loved my 2002 GC. It had some issues, but overall it was one of my best cars Had it 12 years and 227K and I bought a another. I have Owned GMC, VW, AUDI, Pontiac. I've had back to back GC's since 94.

My daughter owns Accura (tons of expensive problems). Good friend has owned many BMW's with many expensive problems. Friends with Toyota's have had very few problems. Problem is they are the most boring thing on the road and that's fine for some folks.

A Vehicle is an extension of your personality. I'm problematic too so VW's and Jeeps are a good fit.


VW's are at CR's bottom of the list. Our VW's have been great.

The 2014 is a complex Vehicle. The Uconnect, although still buggy, blows competition away.
I gotta disagree with you on the toyota especially the 4runner. The new model is awful as anything and extremely boring (unless you were referring to his model) but the last generation 4runner sport was as quiet and solidly made and capable offroad as anything that I have driven. Wasn't bad looking either

Just an opinion.
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There are vehicles that are far more reliable than the JGC; that is a fact. The question is whether a person finds the JGC's reliability acceptable when you also consider the other features of the vehicle.
You hit the nail on the head Snipe. A person has to be able to take the good with the bad. My brother in law is a Toyota Corolla driver. He was actually thinking of buying a Jeep since he needed all wheel drive. But I could not recommend any Jeep to him, even though I'm more than happy with my WK. I knew he could not reasonably expect the same level of reliability he was used to (well, they are more complicated, too!). By the same token he'll unfortunately miss out on the driving experience.
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There are vehicles that are far more reliable than the JGC; that is a fact. The question is whether a person finds the JGC's reliability acceptable when you also consider the other features of the vehicle.

My 2005 Toyota 4Runner was amazingly reliable. It never had a single electrical or mechanical issue that required a trip to the dealership.
This I don't disagree with. I do disagree with simply calling out "American" cars as being bad especially with how much has changed from the 80's, 90's and especially the issues Japanese cars are having lately trying to chase the sales American car companies have been putting out. My in-laws are diehard Japanese vehicle owners and they've had more issues with their vehicles than my wife and I have had with our American vehicles. When we purchased our Jeep, my brother in-law right away said I should be cautious of "American" brands and Chrysler transmissions even though recently his 04 Honda Civic had an issue that cost him over $2 grand to fix and his wife's 01 Rav4 had a transmission failure at 90k miles.
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There are vehicles that are far more reliable than the JGC; that is a fact. The question is whether a person finds the JGC's reliability acceptable when you also consider the other features of the vehicle.

My 2005 Toyota 4Runner was amazingly reliable. It never had a single electrical or mechanical issue that required a trip to the dealership.
Could you imagine what would happen if Jeep could substantially improve reliability while keeping all the features. Chevy and Marlon would be working double shifts, eight days a week.


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There are vehicles that are far more reliable than the JGC; that is a fact. The question is whether a person finds the JGC's reliability acceptable when you also consider the other features of the vehicle.

My 2005 Toyota 4Runner was amazingly reliable. It never had a single electrical or mechanical issue that required a trip to the dealership.
Totally agree. As I said in a different post on this thread, both my father and I had the last generation 4 runner (i had a sport and he had a limited) and both trucks were flawless. Not one issue electrically or mechanically on either one and they were even whisper quiet inside when we gave them back after about 39k miles.

Now, if Chrysler could harness that sort of build quality with the technological advancements they have on the WK2, then Jeep would be unstoppable... IMHO
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