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Old 09-02-2014, 11:28 AM
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

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I think a person could easily find a decent set of tires that are good for the highway and up to moderate offroading. Swapping tires for one use or the other is a PITA.
Agree and the Michelin LTX M/S2 is that tire in my opinion an excellent all around tire. can you get better purpose built tires for specific reasons sure but as an all around, leave it on year round and not mess with it I think they are a very good choice. Just need them to start making it in the stock 265/50R20 size now. No real good choices for an all around tire like that in the 265/50R20 would need to change size in the 20 inch which people dont often want to do.
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

If you buy an Overland with hemi or diesel does it still come with quadra-drive? If so, mechanically there is no difference between the ORAII package and the regular overland. It's just the skids, tow hooks, and wheels.

So from a capability stand-point it is still is a Jeep. Now you can either spend the few hundred bucks to add skids/hooks (while saving money by not ordering the vehicle yourself). Or perhaps try to work that into the deal for the vehicle, that the dealer equip it with those components. As for the wheels, for the same reason dealers only stock non ORAII WK2s, the 20"s are probably more in demand from those with lower trim levels. So you can probably sell the 20"s, buy skids/hooks, and replace with OEM 18"s while coming out even.

Just my thoughts, I have a 2013 Overland with hemi/quadra-drive. I do have the 20"s, but mostly because I drive over bad roads only to access hunting/fishing spots and ski mountains in the winter. So generally I can avoid stuff that is going to bang up the wheels. I have put tow-hooks on it ($150 on EBay), and think skids are a good idea as some of the components seem pretty vulnerable on the underside. I have already cracked the plastic 'skid plate' thing up front right under/behind the air dam. The only thing that I struggle with is keeping the 20"s after the stock tires are fully worn. I want an A/T type tire, but there aren't many options for that size.

EDIT: Note - I have not read every single post in this thread (only the first page), so if the topic has drifted from the original my apologies.
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If you buy an Overland with hemi or diesel does it still come with quadra-drive? If so, mechanically there is no difference between the ORAII package and the regular overland. It's just the skids, tow hooks, and wheels.

So from a capability stand-point it is still is a Jeep. Now you can either spend the few hundred bucks to add skids/hooks (while saving money by not ordering the vehicle yourself). Or perhaps try to work that into the deal for the vehicle, that the dealer equip it with those components. As for the wheels, for the same reason dealers only stock non ORAII WK2s, the 20"s are probably more in demand from those with lower trim levels. So you can probably sell the 20"s, buy skids/hooks, and replace with OEM 18"s while coming out even.

Just my thoughts, I have a 2013 Overland with hemi/quadra-drive. I do have the 20"s, but mostly because I drive over bad roads only to access hunting/fishing spots and ski mountains in the winter. So generally I can avoid stuff that is going to bang up the wheels. I have put tow-hooks on it ($150 on EBay), and think skids are a good idea as some of the components seem pretty vulnerable on the underside. I have already cracked the plastic 'skid plate' thing up front right under/behind the air dam. The only thing that I struggle with is keeping the 20"s after the stock tires are fully worn. I want an A/T type tire, but there aren't many options for that size.

EDIT: Note - I have not read every single post in this thread (only the first page), so if the topic has drifted from the original my apologies.
Overland and Summit both have Quadra Drive II yes you can add skids and hooks to them and 18s if you want
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Overland and Summit both have Quadra Drive II yes you can add skids and hooks to them and 18s if you want
Yup and I'll just mention for newbies that specifically with the Summit, there is a bit of extra work to add the tow hooks due to the different front fascia that lacks the cutouts. Otherwise, "ORA-II" is directly recreatable merely by adding some parts.
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

I believe that on the overland, the electronic locking rear diff is part of ORA II and as far as I experienced that by itself is worth the $995 on that package.
If you put together all the skid plates and the ELD, Just buying the parts will be more then the package. Put in labor as I'm sure most people would install ELD by themselves, and the package is a steal .........
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

More like the dealers have no idea.


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I believe that on the overland, the electronic locking rear diff is part of ORA II and as far as I experienced that by itself is worth the $995 on that package.
If you put together all the skid plates and the ELD, Just buying the parts will be more then the package. Put in labor as I'm sure most people would install ELD by themselves, and the package is a steal .........
Quadra-Drive II includes the ELD.
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That's not fair mate, I live in the U.S...that one has right-hand drive, and it's loaded for bear too!



I never said an Overland can't be found with the 18" wheels, I've just never seen one on the road without 20" wheels. Fact is most people who pony up $45,000+ for an Overland (at least here in the States) are not going to get one with the 18" wheels so they can go hard core off roading in it.
Must be regional. Local dealers seem to use the Summit for the mall crawling crowd, and order the Overlands with OR-II.

But then we have actual trails around here and Dr Colorchip seems to work well for the inevitable dings.

Trails with rocks larger than 6-8 inches in the trail, with a good amount of water running down the trail just the icing on the cake and it handles them nicely.

Hard core would be no trail, where I've gotten too old to risk walking home.
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Interesting. Went to 2 local dealerships yesterday and they had a few 15's with more in transit. When I told them that I am interested in a 15 Overland with the off road adventure II package they both said that they don't order them that way so I will have to special order. They both said that no one wants that option and one sales guy said he has never sold one with that option. How can that be true? It's a Jeep for crying out loud.
Do those dealers put factory "Mall Rated" badges on them?
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It's not so much that "no one wants ORAII" as it is that the majority of dealer ordered GC's are with the 3.6L V6.
I don't see the connection. The V6 is more than adequate for moderate trails.. possibly a bit better suited than the surplus of power of the V8.
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I agree it is mostly about paying more for a package which then takes away your 20" wheels for the 18" wheels.... Doesn't make sense to most vehicle buyers unless you really do off road stuff.

Wonder if Jeep could somehow design it so 20" wheels would be more off road capable? Or perhaps that would be more of a tire thing?
20 inch wheels themselves arent the issue, Range Rover uses them, with fairly low profile tires that seem to do the job.

Dunno why Jeep insists on not providing decent OR tech on either the 20 inch Summit or even the SRT.
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18 is still hard to find good tires. Not impossible but much more expensive than a similar sized 17in wheel
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