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Old 09-03-2014, 09:47 AM
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

Dawg, you can always have those black tow hooks powder coated to any color you prefer...
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

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I added ORA I to my Jeep by purchasing it with the tow package and then adding the skid plates, front tow hooks, and the all important "trail rated" badge.

I understand why dealers stock what they do but my beef is with Chrysler for only selling the hardware for mounting the front tow hooks with the stock black hooks.

Want chrome or red hooks? Buy the black hooks AND the chrome or red ones. I confirmed this with Just4Jeeps.

So I have black tow hooks and Chrysler lost an upsale. F*CK YOU I'm not buying two sets of hooks to get a custom finish.
I pretty much did the same thing, but wanted the dealer to install the chrome hooks, but of course they could only do black. Turns out I like the black, I also have a black jeep so it's very subtle but their there if I need them. One thing that pisses me off is that a hitch and a full size spare aren't standard across the board. I know it's a business, but still it's a Jeep.
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:10 PM
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

I have the Overland with OR2. I have the 18" tires, and would not have it any other way. If you do any off roading you will appreciate the 18" tires. If you hit a rock or a curb with 20" tires - your chances of needing a new rim greatly increase. Also, the 18" tires actually give a softer ride than the 20" tires. IMHO, the 20" tires are only for looks and better cornering at high speeds, which I do not do in my Jeep. Also, when it is time for new tires, I will be the one laughing all the way to the bank, as the 20" tires cost a lot more. In the end, get what you want, but for me, the 18" rims were my best choice.
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:28 PM
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I believe that on the overland, the electronic locking rear diff is part of ORA II and as far as I experienced that by itself is worth the $995 on that package.
If you put together all the skid plates and the ELD, Just buying the parts will be more then the package. Put in labor as I'm sure most people would install ELD by themselves, and the package is a steal .........

I'm pretty sure that the ORAII is only $395 for an Overland. Even more worth it then!
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I have the Overland with OR2. I have the 18" tires, and would not have it any other way. If you do any off roading you will appreciate the 18" tires. If you hit a rock or a curb with 20" tires - your chances of needing a new rim greatly increase. Also, the 18" tires actually give a softer ride than the 20" tires. IMHO, the 20" tires are only for looks and better cornering at high speeds, which I do not do in my Jeep. Also, when it is time for new tires, I will be the one laughing all the way to the bank, as the 20" tires cost a lot more. In the end, get what you want, but for me, the 18" rims were my best choice.
I for one am glad the things are being ordered as essentially mall crawlers.
It means the vehicle is good enough as a nice driver, fancy enough, etc. to compete in the market usually known as crossovers against the Exploder and even some of the euro xovers.

It means more sales overall, which increases the chances of getting upgrades, etc. and multiple future option models for those who buy them for moderate off road duty.

The GC used to be oriented more to the off-road set even though it was the first modern dual use SUV [after the old Grand Wagoneer] and that may have hurt it as the Exploder and others moved more to on-road comfort/performance to reach a significantly larger anti-minivan family hauler market.
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

I took off the 20's on my Overland and went with the 18 setup. Decided to go with the Hankook Dynapro atm rf10's. Initially was going with the Coopers, but am totally impressed with the Hankooks. Now I can get to those fishing holes and bow stands with confidence.
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:27 PM
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I for one am glad the things are being ordered as essentially mall crawlers.
It means the vehicle is good enough as a nice driver, fancy enough, etc. to compete in the market usually known as crossovers against the Exploder and even some of the euro xovers.

It means more sales overall, which increases the chances of getting upgrades, etc. and multiple future option models for those who buy them for moderate off road duty.

The GC used to be oriented more to the off-road set even though it was the first modern dual use SUV [after the old Grand Wagoneer] and that may have hurt it as the Exploder and others moved more to on-road comfort/performance to reach a significantly larger anti-minivan family hauler market.
I agree - segmenting from off-road tough to outfitting as luxury mall crawler (but still capable) is great and it makes the GC successful which allow more innovation and options. Clearly by making Summit it's own trim level they are going for the luxury mall crawler crowd where big money is at. How many people take their luxury RR off road...not many. Sadly, I haven't done much off roading at all...I need to do it though. I love the capability of my GC even if I'm not off road. Go Jeep Go! I am really enjoying my 2014 Summit...
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Re: Dealer says no one wants off road package

I am looking at ordering a new jeep and the ORA II package looks great - my question is how capable is a stick jeep with the package and Quadra Drive?

I know it is capable, I just want to know if you need to make other mods to safe guard the vehicle and make sure it can handle some light-moderate off roading a couple time a year (1-3), and maybe participating in a jamboree.

I have had two other Jeeps, a '93 and a '96 and the vehicle has changed a lot since then. I am also new to off roading so any insight would be great.
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I am looking at ordering a new jeep and the ORA II package looks great - my question is how capable is a stick jeep with the package and Quadra Drive?

I know it is capable, I just want to know if you need to make other mods to safe guard the vehicle and make sure it can handle some light-moderate off roading a couple time a year (1-3), and maybe participating in a jamboree.

I have had two other Jeeps, a '93 and a '96 and the vehicle has changed a lot since then. I am also new to off roading so any insight would be great.
An Overland with full off road could run the Rubicon.

I'd probably "decline the honor" myself.
I don't take my '14 into many places that I would take my 95.
Part of that is lacking the willingness to walk out, but also the older units had the plastic cladding on the sides that wasn't that hard to replace when it got too intimate with scrub brush, rocks, etc. The older skid plates appeared a tad more robust as well.

In other words, I am confident the '14 will go places I simply don't care to risk. That still leaves a lot of opportunities to get away from packs of Priuses, and the air suspension is an order of magnitude more comfortable and better handling on really rough roads and moderate off roading.

If I lived way out in the boonies, I'd probably have a Wrangler Rubicon or similar.
I don't, and unfortunately my opportunities to get to decent boonies require pretty much 99% highway and 1% boonies--a profile for which the GC is far better suited than a Wrangler In My Non-Humble Opinion.

The non-4wd units are more capable than people give them credit for, but they can't match the full time 4wd in ice storm covered highways, heavy rain, etc.
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I am looking at ordering a new jeep and the ORA II package looks great - my question is how capable is a stick jeep with the package and Quadra Drive?

I know it is capable, I just want to know if you need to make other mods to safe guard the vehicle and make sure it can handle some light-moderate off roading a couple time a year (1-3), and maybe participating in a jamboree.

I have had two other Jeeps, a '93 and a '96 and the vehicle has changed a lot since then. I am also new to off roading so any insight would be great.

To echo the other responses, I wouldn't hesitate going anywhere with my overland. If I was to run a rubicon like trail I'd add rock sliders and replace half the skid plates with metal ones. But for moderate use, the overland is a killer :-)
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I am looking at ordering a new jeep and the ORA II package looks great - my question is how capable is a stick jeep with the package and Quadra Drive?

I know it is capable, I just want to know if you need to make other mods to safe guard the vehicle and make sure it can handle some light-moderate off roading a couple time a year (1-3), and maybe participating in a jamboree.

I have had two other Jeeps, a '93 and a '96 and the vehicle has changed a lot since then. I am also new to off roading so any insight would be great.
Light-moderate i think you are fine but anything more the first thing i would do is put a different more capable off road tire on it than the Latitude highway cruiser that comes on it.
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Light-moderate i think you are fine but anything more the first thing i would do is put a different more capable off road tire on it than the Latitude highway cruiser that comes on it.
That, de-Latituding, was a given.
It can handle mild OR duty, but whatever Jeep person proposed it for any sort of trail duty is hopefully setting somewhere on slippery rocky trail with no cell coverage.

Luckily the 18 inch variant is shared with Mercedes so there are multiple good ones to choose from.
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