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Dealer says no one wants off road package

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#1 ·
Interesting. Went to 2 local dealerships yesterday and they had a few 15's with more in transit. When I told them that I am interested in a 15 Overland with the off road adventure II package they both said that they don't order them that way so I will have to special order. They both said that no one wants that option and one sales guy said he has never sold one with that option. How can that be true? It's a Jeep for crying out loud.
 
#5 · (Edited)
You can get an "Off-Road Adventure II" package with the 3.6L V6 (there are two versions, with or without Quadra-Drive II). The package for the 3.6L V6 includes:

18" x 8.0" polished aluminum wheels; Front suspension, fuel tank, transfer case and under body skid plate shields; P265/60R18 black sidewall all-season tires; Trail rated badge
 
#7 ·
I suspect most people look at the 20" rims, then look at the 18" rims and decide bigger is better. What kind of "upgrade" downgrades your wheels dude! Joking, of course, but I'm guessing that's the mindset of many car lot shoppers.

I have an Overland with ORA II as well.
 
#10 ·
To each his own I guess but it seems to me that if you don't tow or go off road, even mild off-roading, you would be better off with a minivan. I hunt a lot in the fall months and travel down farm fields and logging roads which are often muddy and uneven. For my purposes the reason to own a jeep is to have a 4X4 with skid plates and tow hooks.
 
#12 ·
You are absolutely right. I have a D ring hitch that I've used a few times in my 08 Overland and it has come in quite handy, especially when the front tow hooks are not accessible. Everyone with a trailer hitch should have a D ring even if you have front tow hooks..
 
#16 ·
I agree it is mostly about paying more for a package which then takes away your 20" wheels for the 18" wheels.... Doesn't make sense to most vehicle buyers unless you really do off road stuff.

Wonder if Jeep could somehow design it so 20" wheels would be more off road capable? Or perhaps that would be more of a tire thing?
 
#17 ·
As you can see from my signature, they exist, but I ordered from the factory, and I'd have it no other way. For me, the 18" wheels was definitely a tire thing. I had it off road when it was two weeks old. It's a Jeep!
 
#103 ·
The first dealer I went to had the attitude that no one needed or wanted the trail rated versions. He was upset when he found that I had bought a trail rated version from another dealer.

Right now, I'm in Portland, Oregon, but I got here via trails in South Dakota, Wyoming and Idaho and I plan on hitting some more trails before returning home in ten days.
 
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#20 ·
I bought a 2014 Overland with ORAII last month in Orange County, CA (not exactly off-road country), and there were at least 3 other Overlands there with that package also, 2 in my same color. I guess it just depends on the dealership.
 
#113 ·
Hello to everyone. I'm new to the Garage and appreciate all the information people have shared here. I'm awaiting delivery of a 2015 Overland with ORA II. None on the lot with that combination.

In MN, getting to hunting and fishing locations can get dicey at times. Am I going to take this rock crawling on the North Shore in the first 5 years? Very unlikely. Do I expect to own this vehicle for 10 years? Yes. For me, at least, it is not so much that I will be doing a lot of off-roading but that I can get from A to B if I want or need to.
 
#22 ·
I'm in the process of buying a new overland to replace my 2012.
In the east coast an overland with V8 and an off road package cannot be found.
I'm ordering a 2015, figured I might as well wait and get to the next model year........
 
#23 ·
The good news is that things like skid plates and tow hooks are easily fitted after-market...

I'm another one that really doesn't have much intent for off-road activity outside of an occasional beach ride while on vacation and dealing with dirt parking lots at horse shows. 85% of my driving is highway. The only reason I have the V8 is for towing our small horse trailer a few times a year. (Diesel wasn't available when I was buying or I'd have that) I do, however, appreciate the fact that I CAN do the off-road thing if I decide I want to.

I suspect that a large percentage of the tens of thousands of JGC buyers each year are not off-road oriented but a higher percentage of forum enthusiasts are so inclined. While the vehicle has the capability of doing some pretty heavy off-road fun with the right setup, it's also a really nice general purpose ride. There's a reason that mini-van sales have waned and some manufacturers have dropped them...SUVs and CUVs have taken over as the go-to vehicle these days.
 
#24 ·
2014 with ORA II package and HEMI.... I actually refused to buy a jeep with 20" wheels... Am I the only one who thinks huge wheels are stupid? 18" wheels are already pretty big in my opinion and I was GLAD that the ORA II came with the 18's which I actually like better......

And also, I have taken my Jeep wheeling a couple times already, both times finding a way to break stuff.... "yes....yes I did" , the first time it only had 800 miles on it....and I was running through live rivers, and rock crawling... its just a damn object people, they can be replaced!

But the fact that it had "JEEP" on the front, I had NO CHOICE but to make sure the thing held up to its reputation, and ...It did.... Only damage done was from my own mistakes, getting use to a new machine...

My next Jeep, will be another Overland with the ORAII package.... I would love a Summit....but not until they offer the ORAII package, and yes I know, its mostly skid plates and such at that trim level, and the tow hooks, etc... but those TOW hooks and skid plates say Jeep.....
 
#32 ·
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My next Jeep, will be another Overland with the ORAII package.... I would love a Summit....but not until they offer the ORAII package, and yes I know, its mostly skid plates and such at that trim level, and the tow hooks, etc... but those TOW hooks and skid plates say Jeep.....
Regarding the Summit . . . agree, so added plates & hooks to my Summit; not too costly or difficult to install. For actual off roading, still needs 18" off road wheels / tires and an easier method of temporarily removing the lower air dam would sure be nice. If really serious - I'd add the Trailhawk style rock rails as well.
 
#28 ·
It's been a long time since I've done any kind of offroading and I don't tow anything.

My preference has always been to have QDII, the class 4 towing package and the Up-Country suspension package (ORAII today). I like HD components whether or not I have a need for them.

I haven't driven a QDII in a WK2 so I don't know how it compares with the QDII I had in my 02. That system used the gerotors in the transfer case and both Vari-Lok axles and could send 100% to any of the 4 wheels. I've driven a lot of 4WD systems and that one was hands down the best I've ever used in snow.

The class 4 towing package gave me a HD alternator, HD cooling and the receiver hitch gave me a little more structural stiffness in case of getting rear-ended by some idiot. For what little it cost, it was a no-brainer.

The UCS gave me HD springs and shocks, full skid plates and a slightly higher ride height. Again, for what little it cost it was a no-brainer. It also gave considerably better ride and handling qualities over the stock suspension. Anyone who's ever driven WJ's with and without UCS will know exactly what I'm talking about.

I like the look of my 20" wheels but was a little concerned about what the ride quality would be. Surprisingly, the 20's ride very smooth and I have no complaints so far. I'm sure the 18's ride even better. I have an Accord EXL with 17" wheels and low profile tires and it rides harsh, like a Campbell Soup can on wheels. Every crack in the road is transferred harmonically throughout the vehicle.
 
#29 · (Edited)
GCLimited: :DI know - just couldn't resist . Most Overlands wouldn't go offroad here either. I just wanted a really comfortable, but serious (read low range, high clearance) 4wd. And I think this is the best there is for that purpose. Took me two weeks to get all the dust out though!
Russell
 
#31 ·
I took my overland off road a few times.
And the reason that in buying another one is simple.
While 99.9% of the time I use 1% of its capability, on the 0.1% when I will need it! I know it is there and will take me back home.
And anyone that did any moderate off roading knows, that some times you get stuck, or the guy in front of you just ruined the worst part of a trail. And the difference between you staying there for the night or going home is some vehicle capabilities and some driver skills / or brute force.
Which is why the overland with factory off road is my car. I also added a winch to it, but it was only used once to up right a flipped Suzuki.
And although the factory off road tires are crap, everything else on the jeep worked flawlessly so far!
 
#33 ·
As mentioned in a previous post, "I'd have it no other way!" That's why they have options. We're all different, with different wants and needs.
My Overland, in OR II. :D
 

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#36 ·
I didn't order my Overland with the ORAII package, but I did get QD-II and added skid plates after the fact. I wanted to keep the 20" wheels, which I liked better at the time than the 18" ones. However, I now like the 18" wheels better, and regret not ordering the ORAII package. I bought a Jeep and fully intend to use it as one. I've done some mid-grade off-roading and gone through some serious snow and ice, and the Jeep has handled beautifully. I'm definitely looking to amp it up in the coming months, and can't wait! :thumbsup:
 
#37 ·
I ordered my 2011 Laredo the first day ORA II was available for it. It is a Jeep thing for me. I have driven mine numerous times utilizing the ORA II and low range 4wd. I am not interested in upgrading to a Limited, Overland, etc, in order to get the ORA II in the future. I think ORA II should be availabe in all Hemi or Diesel WK2 models.
 
#38 ·
I just came back from the dealer. Left my 2012 and ordered a 2015 silver overland with the V8 and ORII.
Now need to wait and wait and wait.......
 
#39 ·
I would say that 20" wheels are not "stupid"...they are just not your preference, Baalic. Many of us like them. Some do not. And that's ok...both 18" and 20" are available (and even 17" in the base Laredo) so everyone has a choice. ;)
 
#40 ·
To add to that, there are actually some pretty good off road tires that will work with 20" rims. And a 275/50 sidewall is enough rubber to flex and go ultra low air pressure.
 
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