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Old 08-08-2016, 09:59 PM
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

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good choice you wont be disappointed with the hemi. The 2016+ 4x4 hemi is rated at 22 mpg on highway and you will get a bit more than that on a highway cruise you'll be surprised at some of the numbers when its chugging along on 4 cylinders on the highway. also unless you are towing or in super hot climate it does just fine on regular.

It's a little bit of a tough decision because my current 2014 Ram with the Hemi has a reoccurring problem that the dealer can't seem to fix. I probably would of kept this truck much longer but it keeps randomly dying on the road.....in traffic. Other than that I love my Ram.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:04 PM
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

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True, but it's even better if you consider that the Hemi doesn't want or need premium...it runs great on 87. (89 "recommended", especially if you are working it hard) I've never run anything other than regular with my MY12 and it's at 72K miles.

My 2012 4x2 Summit had a Hemi Fever tune on it and it ran 93 octane......man that thing used a ton of fuel! The 22" SRT replicas didn't help either. .
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:45 PM
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

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So today spent a few hours thinking about what I need and also reading reviews. This is my conclusion and by no means do I think my opinion is the end all of opinions but this is what will work best for me.

Originally I was thinking that the diesel was what I wanted, the idea of all the power with greater fuel economy sounded to good to be true. But the more I think about it the more I think the Hemi would be a better choice. Let me explain, from what I've read short trips in "real world" stop and go traffic with the diesel doesn't really achive that great of mileage.....still better than the Hemi but with diesel fuel costing more than premium fuel the savings would be a wash. Most of my travels are on the highways but it's pretty slow going do to congestion. I've already mentioned the turbo lag; and dealing with Houston traffic I need something that will get up and move and move when I want it to. The Hemi will flatout accelerate the Eco diesel from a dead stop and passing power is greater also. This is a much needed asset to effectively maneuver thru Houston traffic more often than not.

To me the only real benefits of the diesel is its towing ability and fuel economy on long drives with sustained highway speeds. Neither of which would really apply to my usage.
Sounds like you made the right call for you. One other thing to think about with the diesel is that they need to run at freeway speeds for about 20 minutes once a week for the particulate filter to get hot enough to clean out. If your regular driving patterns are all short stop and go, this can be a problem. From what I understand if you don't get the particulate filter up to temp it causes issues and can even cause engine longevity issues.
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

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Sounds like you made the right call for you. One other thing to think about with the diesel is that they need to run at freeway speeds for about 20 minutes once a week for the particulate filter to get hot enough to clean out. If your regular driving patterns are all short stop and go, this can be a problem. From what I understand if you don't get the particulate filter up to temp it causes issues and can even cause engine longevity issues.

This is false information. The EcoDiesel will regen, if it deems necessary, at city traffic speeds. It will not be as complete of a regen as attained by interstate highway speeds, but nonetheless. A total regen cycle can be completed in as little as 11 miles of a consistent 55mph.
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

Maybe a little late with this post - My previous JGC was a 2011 with the Hemi, and all I can say is I miss driving the 11 every day. Just my opinion but there is no comparison overall ride quality that I experienced with the V8 compared to the V6 I have now.
My 11 had the tow package with load leveling shocks & 18 inch wheels & with the added weight & grunt of the Hemi that thing was awesome. I only averaged about 12 miles a gallon in the Hemi as 99% of my driving is in the city but I would gladly sacrifice the mileage for the Hemi experience. Just my 2 cents but felt it was worth sharing.
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Yeah my 2012 GC Hemi was also terrible on fuel but the new 8-speed trans has made a huge difference.....at least on my Ram it has.
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My 2012 4x2 Summit had a Hemi Fever tune on it and it ran 93 octane......man that thing used a ton of fuel! The 22" SRT replicas didn't help either. .
Yes, with the tuner, you might need the premium fuel. (And a conveniently located fuel station for frequent fill-ups ) But the OEM setup runs great on 87 or 89.
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

One more vote for the hemi. The diesel is horribly unrefined, noisy, and has lots of turbo lag when compared to 3 liter diesels from VW or MB. Unless you were doing a ton of towing or highway driving it isn't worth the negatives.

I honestly expected to buy the diesel when I went to get my GC. It is what I test drove first. It was so bad though I actually test drove a second one (first was a new 2015, second was a new 2016) just to see if I had a bad example. Then I tried the hemi and was impressed and bought it. Haven't regretted it once and it has 9000km in just 4 months. Towing mileage isn't great, but it is better then the 2011 Expedition I had before. About to head out on a 2500km trip through the rockies with the trailer so that will be the true test, but I am sure it will be fine.

Bottom line, get the hemi!
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

I drove a 2008 CRD and now have a 2014 ecodiesel. Not sure why you think they are noisy since I only heard the faintest diesel clatter at idle and can't hear any engine noise at 30 mph and up. I consider them more refined than the 5.9 liter in our 2002 Durango, especially when going from 0 to 55 MPH on a metered onramp without hitting 2,500 RPM.

I can't compare turbo lag to other models, but I only notice any bad lag if I go to full throttle from a stop. Just 1/2 throttle is enough to hear a little wheel chirp making pulling out from a stop sign and turning onto the main road.


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One more vote for the hemi. The diesel is horribly unrefined, noisy, and has lots of turbo lag when compared to 3 liter diesels from VW or MB. Unless you were doing a ton of towing or highway driving it isn't worth the negatives.

I honestly expected to buy the diesel when I went to get my GC. It is what I test drove first. It was so bad though I actually test drove a second one (first was a new 2015, second was a new 2016) just to see if I had a bad example. Then I tried the hemi and was impressed and bought it. Haven't regretted it once and it has 9000km in just 4 months. Towing mileage isn't great, but it is better then the 2011 Expedition I had before. About to head out on a 2500km trip through the rockies with the trailer so that will be the true test, but I am sure it will be fine.

Bottom line, get the hemi!
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

I don't like the clatter or vibration from the diesel. I also can't live with turbo lag. Hemi all the way! Especially since it's the most reliable option. It's a win win.
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Re: decisions....decisions (3.0 vs. 5.7)

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I drove a 2008 CRD and now have a 2014 ecodiesel. Not sure why you think they are noisy since I only heard the faintest diesel clatter at idle and can't hear any engine noise at 30 mph and up. I consider them more refined than the 5.9 liter in our 2002 Durango, especially when going from 0 to 55 MPH on a metered onramp without hitting 2,500 RPM.

I can't compare turbo lag to other models, but I only notice any bad lag if I go to full throttle from a stop. Just 1/2 throttle is enough to hear a little wheel chirp making pulling out from a stop sign and turning onto the main road.
As mentioned, my comments are in comparison to a 2016 VW Touareg diesel and 2016 MB GLE diesel. Both of those models are significantly quieter, smoother, and have less lag. And 0-60 performance is significantly better with either of them as well.

For me the MB was just too much money and the VW was unfortunately dealing with their pollution issues so I went with the Jeep (I was looking for this size of SUV and had to tow at least 6000lbs). I do like the Jeep and I am happy with it, but like I mentioned, I went with the Hemi instead because after driving those other diesels the one in the Jeep was definitely not comparable. Still a good choice if the towing and mileage is high on your list.

And I am not surprised the diesel is better then a 14 year old Dodge V8. Dodge/Chrysler was hardly known for refinement back then.
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