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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

I do not agree that the WK2 missed - any mark. Given the recent past of Chrysler and the Fiat management implemenetaton - I really am quite impressed that they had this much of a successful launch on the WK2.

To bring the Trailblazer into the discussion is really comparing apples to peaches. Not like I drag raced the TB, nor will I drag race the WK2 - the Trailblzer 4.2 I6 may have had 300hp, but may have been able to cut a 0-60 sprint in about 10 seconds, while the HEMI is much more potent.

In addition, the Trailblazer has a solid rear axle. An independent rear is something that the TB will never offer, as it is a dead platform now.

Now that I have about 1300 miles on the WK2, I will reserve my final review of this vehicle until after about 20k miles when things have officially broken in. However, first impressions are that the WK2 is about a stratosphere better than the TB was.
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

If they did miss it, I don't believe it's for any of the reasons the OP mentioned.

To me, very generally, the stuff the OP mentioned is the piddly bullshit that they probably got bogged down with in previous models, where in this model they decided to forgo and focus on important stuff. And I'm sure the OP could care less about my own piddly little issues with my WK2.

I feel that Jeep focused on the important stuff and got a great vehicle out the door. Hopefully they'll stay committed to the quality improvement and keep tweaking the vehicle for current and future owners.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:19 PM
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

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To put this to rest, look at the sales numbers. The facts speak for themselves.
Yes, but the new Explorer is selling better than the WK2, partly because the Chrysler platform is shared between two brands (Jeep and Dodge), diluting each. But part of it is that some folks prefer Ford because it didn't participate in the bailout; too, it has a reputation for superior reliability, especially as compared to Chrysler.

Much of this will fade over time. However, the key variable is whether Ford has it right that the market trend favors minivan substitutes/crossovers, or Jeep has it right that folks will want to make it through snow, mud, sand or whatever else might get in their way.
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

I did much research too. 2000 miles on my Ltd. and it has been great.

Re: tires. If they put A/T tires on off road pkg. people would complain that they were not the correct brand/model. Everyone has their own preference. Latitude Tours give the best gas mileage and assist the brand in hitting government MPG mandates. I do not go off road, but may change to LTX M&S2's in the fall. Something to budget for.
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

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It's already a game-changer, it's collected more awards on debut from folks in the trade than any predecessor.

To whine about the "off road" spec tires is camp. No manufacturer is going to spec its top of the line luxury varient with tires that will substantially alter it's ride/handling for the worse..... because then the people who award the awards would say it's ride and handling is compromised by the tire choice!
If you're a serious off-roader, you'd be much better served speccing your own tire preference, it will always be a better choice than what any manufacturer would place on there.

The other guff you mention is a non event..... every manufactuer will often be affected by late availability, so it's not confined to just Jeep.

And not many (any?) manufactuers would gladly hand over a vehicle to the aftermarket and say "here ya go, take our vehicle and find ways to tune it, lift it, and void our warranty and make it potentially unsafe"...... No.
Thanks Marlin, nice to hear.

I will say one thing I have noticed with the WK2, it's attracted a lot of people that just buy it as if it were any other vehicle. The Jeep forum seems to draw some interesting poeple these days. I certainly don't expect people to be as passionate as I am about Jeep. I have owned several, I have taken the good with the bad. I really don't give a damn what you think about the LR4... I'm not interested in your interest in comparing the WK2 (Or any Jeep) with the new old fart version of a Lincoln pretending to be an SUV. Just as a couple examples of the crap I see on this forum. Maybe I need to buy another wrangler to get back with some favorable company. All the best to the Jeep people, the rest of the douchebags cab go flame. Really.

I say it again and again. It's a Jeep thing, if you have to ask you wouldn't understand.
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

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Thanks Marlin, nice to hear.

I will say one thing I have noticed with the WK2, it's attracted a lot of people that just buy it as if it were any other vehicle. The Jeep forum seems to draw some interesting poeple these days. I certainly don't expect people to be as passionate as I am about Jeep. I have owned several, I have taken the good with the bad. I really don't give a damn what you think about the LR4... I'm not interested in your interest in comparing the WK2 (Or any Jeep) with the new old fart version of a Lincoln pretending to be an SUV. Just as a couple examples of the crap I see on this forum. Maybe I need to buy another wrangler to get back with some favorable company. All the best to the Jeep people, the rest of the douchebags cab go flame. Really.

I say it again and again. It's a Jeep thing, if you have to ask you wouldn't understand.
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

I do not know a manufacture out there that puts off road tires from the factory besides Hummer and you see where they are now. Even Land Rovers offer the same type of tires. Have you or most people that have complained about the tires actually taken it off road to see? I know I have and they hold their own in my opinion and do just about as good as the BFG A/T's. I am not saying off road tires are over stated, they do help, but in a lot of cases the latitudes can go just as far. I have no reason to change tires, the first time I get stuck maybe, but I'll try it again a few times before I change.

I agree with missing some features, but it gives them a chance to upgrade minor items in future models.

A paper manual really?... now that is nic picking. Granted a few folks like to have them for reference or to read while on the can, but the first place anyone goes to find out a problem is online now days. I have the manual on my ipad and iphone it is always there with me and I have so much more room in my glovebox.
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Stop whining and just buy it already!!!!
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I know this is the first year but can't help but feeling Jeep has made some serious flaws in the marketing/design of the GC,they want to compete with the upper crust of automakers but still show signs of the "its good enough". What really blows my mind is the tires they put on the off road package,I mean off all car brands out there you would think that Jeep would be the ones that would install serious off road tires and to not admit this was a mistake is just insanity.
They are not trying to take BMW x5m customers with this vehicle. They are not trying to convert bmw 7 series customers, or AMG mercedes enthusiasts... They are edging into the luxury suv market, not trying to take it over. There are alot of reasons one would end up with one of these over its "luxury brand" counterpart, off the top of my head I could think of comefortably 20k reasons just in the price tag . Furthermore, putting aggressive mud tires on a factory vehicle does nothing but cost them mpgs across their lineup for people that are only going to be mall crawling with them... the people whom want more agressive tires can buy them, whatever brand and style they want, and it wont affect chryslers average mpg across the lineup.

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Next the fact that the traction control cant be fully turned of suggets the computers know more than the guy/gal who really wants to go out and have some fun,which is what off roading is all about.I know these features are more than good for most people but they should be able to be defeated!
This is done for cost savings and vehicle control. Instead of fitting mechanical slip limiting differentials they use other things like the brakes. Programming in traction control is much cheaper to produce than expensive mechanical options. Furthermore, open differentials are going to cause the least driving resistance further helping fuel economy (that granted, still sucks). Furthermore for them trying to take luxury brand customers, they are generally not the people that want to disable that stuff, they are people that BUY that stuff. Its the motorsports/car enthusiasts that want to go fast and do cookies, which is a portion of customers but not the norm.


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I've read alot of posts about slow vehicle deliveries and back orders on parts, now I know the new strategies are to keep production levels equal to demand in order to avoid massive dealer inventory but to me Chrysler needed to hit a home run on the GC and they did they just tripped rounding third base.Stuff like substituting the 430n because the 730N wasnt available,no power pedal option,lack of a paper manual,not suppling cars to the aftermarket for testing on such things as powertuners and lift kits is just a way to mute the captured enthusism in the GC.
Your joking right? your mad that chrysler isnt giving cars to aftermarket companys to tear down and figure out how to bypass safety and mechanical longevity measures. So customers can come in with blown up differentials and knocking motors and chrysler can pay for it?

Again, your joking right? no paper owners manual? the amount of people whom use it at ALL let alone regularly enough to have it in their glove box I could probably count on one hand. From there a PDF owners manual is SO much nicer than paper anyway. Word search functions, the ability to print if needed... Added space in the glove box for sporks and napkins! If I need an owners manual for anything I never look in the glove box, I go straight to the interwebz to dodge.com, jeep.com, chrysler.com and look it up there. Considering we live in a day and age where grade schoolers are dependant on the internet to do homework, its not too much to ask that a buyer of a 40+k dollar car is computer literate. To bring this thought to a close, think of all the trees chrysler is saving... *inhale* man clean air smells good!

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All the Hemi vs. V6 talk is amusing to me but did you know a Trailblazer with the straight 6 will run with the Hemi? Better gas mileage too.I'm not bashing the gc at all but just have these thoughts that I can't shake, I'm most probably going to get a GC limited soon as I like the Jeep alot but can't help but feel Jeep although has made a great GC but with a little more thought they could have had a game changer.

Others have beat this to death, but they did make a game changer. This is an excelent rig, looks beautiful, rides great! There will always be a motor from another manufacturer that gets better milage, or more torque... We had a used car 06 harley davidson ford f150 the other day, it cracked me up to see the console read 12mpg and this thing was GUTLESS. Ultimately it comes down to taste, thats why one manufacturer is not taking ALL the customers, there is not an equation to make the perfect car for EVERYONE... you like it or ya dont. With you saying you will likely end up with the jeep after all the frusteration talk shows you obviously have a taste for it
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Re: Did Jeep miss the on WK2

Wow! This poor Newbie will never want to post here again. Just because they are uninformed, doesn't mean they are all bad. Maybe they are just an employee of GM. Don't pee on the cape, don't spit into the wind, and don't be tryin' to pull the mask off our JGCs! We are a proud bunch eh? (but for a good reason ) The only thing wrong with the Jeep Grand Cherokee is the fact I can't afford to buy two of them! Now especially, since Scott made us all look at the new SRT8.............bad Scott, really bad!
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This thread has moved the WK2 back to the top of my list for my next SUV. Will wait for the 2012 5.7 L 6-speed V8 and for the color Black Clear Coat.
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They are not trying to take BMW x5m customers with this vehicle.....
The funny thing is, they didn't try to but they are taking those customers as well as Audi customers like myself. Two people from my church just bought WK2s and did so while selling/trading their BMW Xs: an X5 and X3.
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