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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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I turned off park sense and I have both front and back. If i'm in an unfamiliar garage I'll turn it on, but I'll leave it off for everywhere I'm familiar with, can't stand all of the beeping and with it off my life has less stress in it!
I have to turn all of that off in certain weather conditions... it gets really whacked out sometimes.

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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I think they enable ppl feel more comfortable with been distracted


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Old 05-16-2017, 09:52 PM
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

If a driver depends on the technologies, they are being lazy and inattentive -- a very bad thing. But if a driver uses the technologies as assisting tools, that is very different. A driver can be more aware and more attentive if using the technologies to assist them or, put another way, a good attentive driver becomes less fatigued when using these technologies to assist his/her driving.

It takes a while to learn how these technologies can assist us. We in a sense recalibrate how we drive by using these technologies to our advantage.

The same arguments were probably made when cruise control first came out. Or even power steering and power brakes too.

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You want to see idiots? Ride a motorcycle around for a while. You'll see some $hit.
Most definitely. On a bike you learn to spot the distracted drivers and the poorly secured loads from far away.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I just got a 2017 Trail Hawk with none of those distractive driver features! The blind spot monitoring was more of a nuance than a helpful feature, it kept distracting me while on the highway and brake assist scared the crap out of me. These were on a dealer loner vehicle!
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:57 AM
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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If a driver depends on the technologies, they are being lazy and inattentive -- a very bad thing. But if a driver uses the technologies as assisting tools, that is very different. A driver can be more aware and more attentive if using the technologies to assist them or, put another way, a good attentive driver becomes less fatigued when using these technologies to assist his/her driving.

It takes a while to learn how these technologies can assist us. We in a sense recalibrate how we drive by using these technologies to our advantage.

The same arguments were probably made when cruise control first came out. Or even power steering and power brakes too.
Well said. I will supplement:

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"I am in favour of it (Traction control) because we can go faster and drive more extremely on the limit. It gives us more freedom to drive a bit faster and the ability to take the car permanently to the limit is what makes a good driver."

"It is more difficult to stay permanently on the limit and the more you go, the more you have to overcome yourself. That's what makes a good driver."

"It will not (then) make drivers' equal. It will increase the whole level, but at the new higher level you will see the good drivers remaining the good ones. I don't remember it precisely, but when we stopped with traction control there was no huge difference. Now the lap times will be a bit faster, but not much.
-- 7 x FIA Formula One World Champion Michael Schumacher, cca. 2001 when FIA reintroduced traction control in F1.



Collision avoidance. You can keep your eyes on the road. The total Braking Distance is the sum of Perception Distance + Reaction Distance + Braking Distance. Depending on the speed, all other things being equal, Perception Distance + Reaction Distance = 1.0 -1.5 seconds for an alert driver. Technology cuts that down to 0.25 seconds or less. There are times when by the time I start braking the brake pedal is already hard and primed. The vehicle was ready and anticipating the need for braking long before I decided to brake. That's what saves lives.

Driver Aids surely have rendered some people dependent on technology. But these drivers will never be good drivers and you will still spot them on the road. And then, there's no denying. Some technologies are better than humans.
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:34 AM
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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I just got a 2017 Trail Hawk with none of those distractive driver features! The blind spot monitoring was more of a nuance than a helpful feature, it kept distracting me while on the highway and brake assist scared the crap out of me. These were on a dealer loner vehicle!
On the other hand, the Blind Sport feature has likely saved my life several times on I-95 between home and DC when high-speed weaving vehicles suddenly cut me off from moving between lanes...these were situations that were nearly impossible to "see" visually because of the speed involved.

It's good to have choices over whether to use these features or not.

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In a more general sense, I switched "cars" with my spouse for this trip and her Subaru Outback Limited with EyeSight was a pleasure on the way down yesterday. Rock solid. (And I can't complain about the 33+ MPG I got, too)
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

Driving is exponentially more dangerous today than 10-20 years ago...These features could make the difference between accident/injury or not. As Jim said above, we have driven 10's of thousands of miles vacationing in our JGC and the ACC, blind spot, and even the FCW, have made a difference at any given moment. Would never own any future vehicle without them.....
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

The statistics tell a different story my friend. You may feel it's more dangerous now than 20 years ago but it's not! Acc is the single most useful driving tool to come out on modern vehicles in my opinion.


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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I have the rear back up camera and I laugh at myself constantly because I never look at it. Mirrors and turning my head all the time.

Can all these safety features be turned off? I'm looking at some 17 GCs that have them, and if they can't be turned off, I don't think I want them. I agree that they're good in some ways but I'm over the amount of tech in cars lol.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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If you make the world idiot proof the world will produce a better idiot
^^This^^

That said, I do like having every tech tool at my disposal but understand it must be used in context only as a drivers aid. There is a "gee whiz" factor with having them but I never can blindly trust any of them. I am not wired that way and years of racing and a life time of riding motorcycles has me believeing everyone is out to kill me regardless if I am on 2 or 4 wheels.

I have other pure analog vehicles that keep it all in perspective for me.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I love the backup camera. Not only for safety, but for the time and damage it saves hooking up a trailer to my Ram.


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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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can't stand all of the beeping
This. If you're trying to back up in a parking lot and the park sense is beeping one tone, the radar detector is beeping several other tones, and then all of the sudden cross path detection triggers, thanks to the *FRONT* camera (WTF?) seeing a vehicle driving on a street outside the parking lot—again, in *front* of the vehicle while I'm backing up—and this emits yet a different tone, then yes, it's definitely alarm system overload and is distracting.

I can't count the number of times I have stopped halfway out of a parking spot while backing up, looking over my shoulders for the vehicle that the cross path detection system suggests is going to plow into me, only to realize it's an irrelevant alarm triggered by the stupid front camera.
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