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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

At this point, my driving habits have become second nature. I believe that these features can serve as a fail safe, filling in minor errors that even diligent drivers may make at times. The driver training I've received is a US adaptation of ROSPA advanced driving in the UK. I wish it was more popular in the states because it is very difficult to have it arranged here.

The systems available in vehicles today are innovative, and I think many drivers don't put much thought into their commute. So in that sense, I welcome the vehicle behind me being equipped with a collision warning system, or lane guidance. The game changer for me would be a heads up display that enhances situational awareness. But as cars continue to advance, I believe there will come a time where I simply can't perform better than the machine itself.

I think that many drivers don't pay attention as a given. And most drivers don't have ACC or blind spot detection. So if those drivers are going to be on the road, I welcome the technology that might stop the texting driver's car from drifting into the path of an oncoming semi truck. Driving courses are considered a punishment here.


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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

One good point is you can adjust the sensitivity of the park, and proximity alerts.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I'm not sure if Lane Sense is really a safety but more helps on Fatigue.

If you are dosing off at the wheel, it's not gonna help you. Even though it's often advertised that way.
It might help in a distraction scenario. And perhaps remind you to not let yourself get distracted.

The Collision thing I think has no impact at all on being lazy. Mine has never actively braked. And only warned a hand full of times (and usually overly conservative). I think one thing that is overlooked that it also not only brakes it will boost your braking if you are not braking enough. I think in panic situations it's easy to misjudge how dam hard you need to hit the brakes. But I sure wish it had rear camera so it could help judge if your gonna get rammed in the rear for braking hard.

The Rear Cross Path just simply makes you a better driver, more eyes looking in all directions.

The Blind Side Warning not sure on that one if it's helped me. But it makes me make sure I always put on the blinker So in that sense less lazy.

I think the rear park sense might have saved me a dent once. I really wish Front was Off in reverse and rear was off in Drive. But it's staying on, even though it can be annoying at times.

ACC I try to only use on the highway. Because if used off highway (randomly) I might forget I don't have it on. So it's always on, on the highway and always off, off the highway. I tend to drive closer to speed limit with ACC (I set it for like 5-10mph over PSL) Hard to say if it makes you lazy.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I find stop and go driving to be the most annoying kind of driving. The ACC works well in very slow speed stop and go. If the traffic has a strong slinky effect where the speeds vary quite a bit, I find the ACC dangerous. Its functions lag, so it accelerates slowly, then hard and brakes late and hard. That's a driving style that invites a rear end collision. Also, the system can't scan ahead. I think it's important to get ahead of the car, by scanning several car lengths ahead, so I can see what I will need to do before the car in front of me changes speed. I want to be able to anticipate my inputs to the car. ACC can't do that. It's always behind the traffic, reacting only to what is is right in front of the car, sort of the way my wife drives.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

For most of the people on the road, I think it is great technology and hope it becomes standard equipment across the entire auto industry.
Personally, I have large reservations...
Sometimes on well worn roads I want t ride the center/shoulder -line (when there is no traffic) to ride a smooth portion of pavement, I don't want the vehicle to fight me.
If I'm parking in a tight spot I want to concentrate and sure as heck don't want bells and whistles distracting me.
There are times when throttle is a better means to avoid an accident rather than standing on the brakes... often times it will involve swerving over the line, and, again, I sure don't want the vehicle to fight me on either of these.
I like stability control and ABS... except when on gravel roads and wanting to play... otherwise I find them to be good safety items, and have had 2 occasions to use them... once in my Wrangler, once in my F150. I consider myself pretty capable driver, but on both occasions have wondered afterwards... was that really "my" skill? (Wrangler, lifted on 35's, driving 72mph and aggressively swerving to miss an accident unfolding straight in front of me -2 vehicles going for the same opening in fast moving traffic-, F150, 2:30am, country road, crest in the road, black dog in the hollow after the crest in the middle of my lane... both required counter steer to correct for the skid, but, both were so easily "caught"... I have to wonder... me? or vehicle?)

Other comments in this thread/on this board... and please, this is not personal, simply case in point to OP.
"does ACC notify me if my speed has decreased?"...
"need a review camera when I hit the brakes hard..."
I guess speedometers and 3 rear facing mirrors are already being forgotten?

So, to that end, yes, technology is making us dependent, which I believe will eventually make us lazy... or possibly is already doing so.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

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If the traffic has a strong slinky effect where the speeds vary quite a bit, I find the ACC dangerous. Its functions lag, so it accelerates slowly, then hard and brakes late and hard. That's a driving style that invites a rear end collision. Also, the system can't scan ahead. I think it's important to get ahead of the car, by scanning several car lengths ahead, so I can see what I will need to do before the car in front of me changes speed. I want to be able to anticipate my inputs to the car. ACC can't do that. It's always behind the traffic, reacting only to what is is right in front of the car, sort of the way my wife drives.
I think more and more drivers are performing just this way.
I have a theory...
Lack of athletics/sports, and especially team competition.
In essence, a lack of training in keen observation, multiple objects in motion and anticipation.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

In our state, there is no longer a requirement for attending formal driver training classes if you are at least 16 years old. We had a semester of driver's ed in high school with 9 weeks of classroom learning and then behind the wheel training first in a large parking lot at the hockey arena and then driving around town with a driving instructor.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

I think the concern here is valid, but not necessarily for us. Instead for the kids who have not started drivers training yet. Those kids who will never learn to parallel park without the button, or to match speed on the highway.

That said, the same thing was said of power saws in woodworking when they first came out: people will forget how to hand saw and lose technique and skill. And it is true to some extent, but some people keep the skills, and the technology opens new doors....


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I think the concern here is valid, but not necessarily for us. Instead for the kids who have not started drivers training yet. Those kids who will never learn to parallel park without the button, or to match speed on the highway.

That said, the same thing was said of power saws in woodworking when they first came out: people will forget how to hand saw and lose technique and skill. And it is true to some extent, but some people keep the skills, and the technology opens new doors....


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You have not tried the parallel park, have you. It is nearly useless.

And to be honest I'm pretty crappy at parallel parking myself because I do it so rarely I get rusty.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

Lol, I have not. Mine is a 2016 so it does not have the parallell parking.


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You have not tried the parallel park, have you. It is nearly useless.

And to be honest I'm pretty crappy at parallel parking myself because I do it so rarely I get rusty.
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

all the tech advances, lazy, not lazy, etc aside .... if you ever stop to think about it, the fact that our public roads work as well as they do is pretty astounding. Millions of drivers piloting tons of steel, hazmat, freight trains criss crossing the paths, new drivers to 100 yr olds ... yet for the most part it all works.

it would however be nice if the "rules of the road" were emphasized and there was routine driver training required - i know here in washington state 'left lane/passing only' on the interstate is a fantasy (just as it was in southern california). The cops seem not to care, but they sure do about speeding ... yet I'd contend the people travelling at/below the speed limit in the fast/passing lane is a much more dangerous thing (and creates road rage/aggressive driving). The next tech should be like that one car commercial where the guy pushes a button and the slow driver ahead of him is automatically forced to change lanes

driving is a skill and a talent, training and practice can make it better but some people will always suck at it .... maybe another tech gadget for the future: you have to "earn" the right to have a totally driver controlled vehicle .... if you can't pass the tests your car is restricted from the fast/passing lane, must have ACC and collision avoidance, GPS senses speed and automatically cuts cell/texting capabilities while limiting stereo volume ....
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Re: Do too many safety features make us lazy?

Anyone know how well the lane assist features function in the snow when you can't always see the lane markers very well?
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