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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

One important relevant fact here that we are missing is what % of cars in Wisconsin were sold by Chrysler? If Chrysler also makes up 20% of the cars sold in that state then it would be logical that 20% of the lemons are from that same company, if 40% of the cars are Chrysler then they would have a lower level of lemons vs. the population. Just a thought...
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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

Kind of reminds me of the sociology class I took in University where it basically taught us to avoid statistics, as it's always biased to one view. I guess for this, we should take in consideration that the top 3 on the list includes three or more "brands" in one manufacturer, and certain manufacturers are far more expensive than others (where quality control increases).

However, I still believe that American manufacturers should have better quality control so the auto market does not become dominated by Asian market.
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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

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One important relevant fact here that we are missing is what % of cars in Wisconsin were sold by Chrysler? If Chrysler also makes up 20% of the cars sold in that state then it would be logical that 20% of the lemons are from that same company, if 40% of the cars are Chrysler then they would have a lower level of lemons vs. the population. Just a thought...
I live in WI and this point is extremely valid. The state has many, many small towns with a rural population/culture that does not travel much. When I was living simply 45 miles from Madison the local's would not buy any foreign cars because you had to drive to Madison for dealer service. Very hard to find a local shop even for an older car.

They need to present it in # of Lemons/# of cars produced or licensed in the state.
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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

My '93 Grand Cherokee was running great after 17.5 years of service and 170K miles. I would still be driving it if not for the 2011 model being so compelling. And my wife's '97 Wrangler is far from being let go after 15 years. I see lots of 1st generation Grand Cherokees on the road still.
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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

This seems like a game of telephone. If you go to the referenced page, even though at the top it says "Wisconsin" in the body it says "Here are the statistics of Ohio Lemon Law firm (the end of 2010) which cover the percentage of the overall total open and closed lemon law and breach of warranty cases."

In other words, 20% of the Chrysler production were not lemons, rather 20% of the reported lemons in Ohio in 2010 were Chryslers. This is not even all lemons, rather reported lemons and breach of warrenty charges (no breakdown of this either). The only way this would make any sense would be if the total lemon law cases in Ohio and the total car sales for each element were known. I suspect the actual percentage of production is down in the noise.

Can say that the worst disaster (other than the Olds diesel) for any car that I know of was the Vega and it never approached 5% of total production.

Just reminds me that "figures don't lie but liars sure can figure".
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Re: Ever wonder what percentage of Jeeps are lemons?

I think 20% is a rather ridiculous number. That just seems way to high, either that, or the threshold for a vehicle being labeled a lemon is way too low.

That being said, the reason i am up at 250am is due to the growing realization, or fear, that i may have one. I have less than 6k miles on my vehicle, and have made 8 visits to the service center already. My car has been at the dealer for a total of 18 days, 10 straight for the last problem that they still can't fix. I have had a broken ELSD, rear hatch motor, issue with my stereo and now a leak in the air suspension. All this prior to the first mandated oil change (8k service interval). This is not the new car experience i was expecting when i threw 45k down on a new vehicle.

This afternoon I expect to have a rather direct conversation with the GM and see what my options are. Hopefully I will keep my cool.
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