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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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Thats why there is the option to get any model without options such as advance tech, ORA...etc.
Omitting "advanced tech" is not an option on Summit...and honestly, because of bundling, other trim levels don't necessarily make it easy for folks to omit certain features when they "gotta have" something else that's exclusively part of a bundle. This is the nature of vehicle buying these days...and it's not unique to Jeep.

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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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I realize that a lot of people like the features in the advanced tech package and that's fine.

For me, what I like even better than having the ability to enable/disable these features is the ability to not have to buy the package in the first place.
I would agree. This is one compelling reason to buy the Overland. Though it would be nice to have the Summit or HA trim without the Advanced Tech Pkg.
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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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Omitting "advanced tech" is not an option on Summit...and honestly, because of bundling, other trim levels don't necessarily make it easy for folks to omit certain features when they "gotta have" something else that's exclusively part of a bundle. This is the nature of vehicle buying these days...and it's not unique to Jeep.
There are always trade offs with any trim level. That's why I drive an Overland.
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Old 08-23-2015, 08:51 PM
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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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Omitting "advanced tech" is not an option on Summit...and honestly, because of bundling, other trim levels don't necessarily make it easy for folks to omit certain features when they "gotta have" something else that's exclusively part of a bundle. This is the nature of vehicle buying these days...and it's not unique to Jeep.
Oh duh, this was pertaining to a summit. My mistake lol.

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There are always trade offs with any trim level. That's why I drive an Overland.
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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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My wife had most of the safety features in her last vehicle. Perhaps it's from the various HPDE's and Autocross events that I have participated in, I consider myself an aware driver. Though I understand I can't control the many distracted drivers that are on the road. I just believe in controlling my own car vs. the car acting on it's own. This is why I don't use cruise control. I want to be aware and in control at all times. With ACC controlling both speed, acceleration and braking, I'm not in control.

I know that I'm the exception but as overly the phrase is overly used, "it is what it is".
Just set them so it warns you of the half asleep, texting, semi-conscious folks around you but doesn't actually hit the brakes. You may be highly aware, but 99.9% of the other folks out there sure the hell aren't.
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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

I can see how *some* of these features can be annoying to some people, but how in the world are rain sensing wipers "annoying"??? They're pretty much the best feature ever. Rain is never exactly the same, not to mention it changes with speed, etc. This feature eliminates the need to have to constantly screw with the wiper setting, unless you want to over-set your wipers to always on low or high, which is stupid IMO and wears out your wipers faster.

I have rain sensing on my M3 and on the Jeep and love them both, not to mention you can adjust the sensitivity, which is great. I don't plan on ever owning another car without rain-sensing wipers or Xenon headlights. They're a basic requirement for me now.

Re. the FCW, I've never had an issue, but mine is set to the closest setting possible. No false alarms.

Finally, again, I don't see why you'd want to disable blind spot detection. There are multiple modes for it. For instance, mine is set so the triangles always light up when there's something in my blind spot, but of course no beep unless I start to swerve in that direction or turn on my blinker indicating I'm about to switch lanes there. IMO it's the perfect setting, unless you WANT to be able to run people over with impunity...
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I would agree. This is one compelling reason to buy the Overland. Though it would be nice to have the Summit or HA trim without the Advanced Tech Pkg.

I don't know about that, I think the Overland looks better than the Summit. Because of the interior silver parts and black stitching, SRT headlights, Hemi, HK Audio, body color mirrors and door handles I want to get a High Altitude but I want Overland/Altitude front and rear bumpers and facias and fender flares and side skirts. So anyone near Omaha buying a new brilliant black Altitude or Overland, I might be interested in swapping out lower parts from a new High Altitude if you're interested. It might be the only way I will want to buy a new 2016 Grand Cherokee, so pm me if that's anyone reading this. I need to see a brilliant black H A in person to know for sure first, but I went to two Jeep dealers this past weekend and I preferred the look of the black Overland I saw to the black Summit with platinum package I saw.


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I can see how *some* of these features can be annoying to some people, but how in the world are rain sensing wipers "annoying"?
You should understand that not everyone shares your opinion. Or mine. I don't like the way that the rain sensing wipers operate in practice. I leave it disabled, but it's a feature I'd gladly remove (or not pay for). I couldn't live without aquapel, though.
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Failure of imagination on your part. Some people can operate safely without BSM. I use BSM, but I can relate to people who don't want to do so. I can also relate to people who disagree with my preferences without ascribing faulty thought processes to them.
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We can agree to disagree. In general, most drivers don't know how or care to adjust their side mirrors to eliminate the blind spots.
QFT. As deployed on my JGC, the BSM zone is designed such that it should activate for me only when I *already* have a vehicle visible in my properly-adjusted side view mirrors (aka "what is a blind spot?"). That is to say, BSM never alerts me to anything that I couldn't already see in my mirrors without moving my head.

Besides, my BSM activates with false positives from time to time. That is a distraction, and distracted driving isn't safe. Safety first, amirite? Heh.
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So anyone near Omaha buying a new brilliant black Altitude or Overland, I might be interested in swapping out lower parts from a new High Altitude if you're interested.
Unfortunately, you'd have to swap out nearly the entire front and rear and possibly make other modifications to make this work. You can't just swap out the lower part of the fascia...

If you prefer the Overland look...it may be more cost effective for you to buy the Overland and do your own "HA" build after the fact.
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Re: Features in the Advanced Tech Pkg, can they be disabled?

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You should understand that not everyone shares your opinion. Or mine. I don't like the way that the rain sensing wipers operate in practice. I leave it disabled, but it's a feature I'd gladly remove (or not pay for). I couldn't live without aquapel, though.

Failure of imagination on your part. Some people can operate safely without BSM. I use BSM, but I can relate to people who don't want to do so. I can also relate to people who disagree with my preferences without ascribing faulty thought processes to them.
I can understand preferential treatment as to wipers, even if I don't agree. On the BSM, I don't think I "fail to imagine" anything though. I've been driving for 17 years, and I've never had a vehicle with BSM until this Jeep (so a grand total of a week). I've never once changed lanes and hit someone, though I've come close a few times, but I looked and caught myself. HOWEVER, as good a driver as I may be, I can't predict the future, or what might cause this to happen one day. As someone who also rides motorcycles, I can tell you that is my #1 fear - drivers who might stray into my lane causing me to have an accident on the bike at 70mph, which could be fatal.
The point being, no matter how good and careful a driver you think you may be, it only takes one mistake one time in 20 or 30 years of driving to create a situation that could end up in someone's death. IF that ever happens, do you want to stand on your principle that you're a good and careful driver and de-activated BSM because you don't need all that tech helping you out? If so, then fine. If not, then I don't see the harm. It subtracts absolutely nothing from the driving experience, only adds an extra layer there for that one time you might need it.

Hell, we didn't always used to have mirrors on vehicles either, and some motorcycle riders I know still don't want mirrors because they can "look on [their] own". How would you feel if your car had no mirrors either? You really can orient yourself without them. You could consider mirrors an unnecessary distraction too, always seeing moving objects appearing closer and closer to your car. BWM is of course no worse, it's a tiny triangle that lights up so when you look in the mirror, you know something is there before even attempting a maneuver.
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Haha, the inevitable "safety feature" rant, delivered on cue.

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion and preferences. Others who disagree with you about the alleged benefits of BSM have the same privilege.
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