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What RPM Do you see at 60mph or 65mph with the pentastar?

Always wondered about that since the rear axle is geared quite high vs V8 or Diesel.
I have the older 5 speed, but in top gear I see 2,000 RPM at 70mph, and about 1750 at 60. Almost any throttle will cause a downshift at 60, though.

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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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Is this the same V6 as in the 2014 or has it been further refined/ improved for 2016? Any further refinements for 2017?

Lot more lower end torque in the 2016 and up model, 14% more vs the 2014 model between 1000 and 3000 rpm
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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Is this the same V6 as in the 2014 or has it been further refined/ improved for 2016? Any further refinements for 2017?
This is described by Jeep as basically a new engine containing several improvements.

PSU / PUG —*the 2016 Pentastar V6 engine upgrade
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

So anyone who has owned a 2014/15 and the new 2016 3.6 care to comment?

Can you tell the new version has more TQ and better mileage?
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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So anyone who has owned a 2014/15 and the new 2016 3.6 care to comment?

Can you tell the new version has more TQ and better mileage?
I had no complaints with the 3.6L in my 14 but I definitely feel more power with the 3.6L in my 16. My running average fuel economy is about 1.5 mpg better on the 16. It's a noticeable difference.
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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So anyone who has owned a 2014/15 and the new 2016 3.6 care to comment?

Can you tell the new version has more TQ and better mileage?
FWIW, and this is just based off a 20 mile test drive, I couldn't tell a difference power wise between the 2016 HA I drove and my current 2015 HA. I specifically tried to feel the low end power as well because I know how much people talked about that. The 2016 was brand new and mine had 3,000 some miles on it so maybe it needed to be broken in some more I dunno. I guess I'm not surprised, it's not like there is a huge power difference or anything. To be honest everything felt exactly the same with exception to the 2016 turning off at some red lights, and the new one didn't have HK audio which IMO is a must have!!
With all that said though if I was offered a choice between a new 2015 or a new 2016 I would go with 2016. Even though the changes and improvements weren't really noticeable to me, I know they are there and I can appreciate that. If I did have a 2016 I would like to see a software update that would make the start/stop feature a little better. I hated the fact that the thing would shut off for literally 1 second when I put it in park, only to turn right back on, only to be turned right back off because I'm well....parking lol. How that managed to be designed and approved to work that way certainly blows my mind.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:54 AM
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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Why did you decide against the EcoDiesel platform? Cost?
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Primarily yes. It was hard to justify the upgrade cost of the engine vs gas prices. Again, it might have made more sense if I was hauling on a regular basis.

I liked the engine so it would have been my second choice.
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Yeah, I agree. The cost is a turn off and will not even recoup the corresponding fuel savings over the cost of the engine until around 4-5 years. So unless the intention is to keep it for a long time or truly a workhorse, it doesn't encourage more people to buy.

I wonder how many diesel engines could really be sold if Jeep offered it for free or at a more palatable price.
Well, that's the problem: the Eco Diesel is not supposed to be an alternative to the V6. The two aren't even close. They're two completely different engine and towing classes.

It's an alternative to the V8. When you compare cost vs economy vs capability to the V8, it's a much more viable option. The diesel is meant to offer a power option that is also fuel efficient compared to the V8, which also is an extra cost in addition to more fuel cost.

Since I didn't even consider the V8, the diesel was definitely not an option. There's really no recouping the extra cost of the diesel over the V6 based on fuel economy when the V6 is so much cheaper and is efficient on its own.

The only reason to consider the diesel is if you're already considering the V8 and think you might get better economy over the V8.
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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Well, that's the problem: the Eco Diesel is not supposed to be an alternative to the V6. The two aren't even close. They're two completely different engine and towing classes.

It's an alternative to the V8. When you compare cost vs economy vs capability to the V8, it's a much more viable option. The diesel is meant to offer a power option that is also fuel efficient compared to the V8, which also is an extra cost in addition to more fuel cost.

Since I didn't even consider the V8, the diesel was definitely not an option. There's really no recouping the extra cost of the diesel over the V6 based on fuel economy when the V6 is so much cheaper and is efficient on its own.

The only reason to consider the diesel is if you're already considering the V8 and think you might get better economy over the V8.
Exactly, well said.
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

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Personally I think Jeep doesn't care how many diesels they sale - the price bump is just prohibitive especially in "diesel skeptical" US market - they have to know that. Having diesel though lets them put 29 mpg in ads and also helps with mpg average for the model lineup. All about politics ... I think.


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However, My new 2016 75th Laredo with V6 has performed Very Nicely, as said in another thread, I got 26.7 mpg on a variable-roads trip of about 500 miles in 3.5 days - 2 day stay in town driving ! Not bad considering the stated Hwy. (only) is 25 ! I DO take Exception to those darn paddle shifters though, but that is for a different thread to "vent" at ! After 800 miles I've decided to turn them OFF ! IF need be there is the Shifter that can be used to down or up shift, with a simple tap to the left then either forward or back !
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I've put about 4000 miles on my 2016 V6 Overland and I decided to list what I thought were the best features. Hands down, the number one feature is the new 3.6 L VVT engine.

Full disclosure, I test drove the ecodiesel and decided against that platform. I liked the V6 but had reservations about the ESS. I never had a chance to test drive a 5.7L Hemi V8, but decided against that choice because of fuel efficiency and because I don't do much towing. I emphasize the fact that I don't need heavy towing capacity-I think that would change my recommendation.

Before purchase I did my due diligence. I was concerned that I might be making the wrong choice because of the avid fans of the V8. Those reservations have been quickly dispelled. The acceleration is quick and the added torque at the low end is easily appreciated. At highway speeds I feel no lack of power when I need it. Coupled with the second best feature of the Overland, the transmission, driving has been responsive and smooth.

ESS takes getting used to. I have not disabled it, and as others have said, unless you have a lead foot, you really don't notice it after time.

So I give #1 and #2 to the engine and transmission. #3 goes to the Quadra Lift air suspension. I've used this off road and the added ground clearance is awesome. With highway driving in the aero mode or street driving the vehicle is smooth and solid.

If I had a negative, I do wish those owners who hate ESS could permanently disable the feature rather than at each start up.

If you're on the fence between a V6 and V8 I think you owe it to yourself to test drive both. I think you'll be impressed with the new Pentastar V6.
Do yourself a favor (and any others reading this thread)....

Do NOT drive the Ford/Lincoln 2.7tt V6.

Going into month 2 of ownership of a 2016 Lincoln MKX (besides a 2012 Grand Cherokee) and the torque of the 2.7tt is VERY addicting.

My wife rarely lets me drive her new toy....
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

Good to hear the 3.6L is something I wont regret getting.
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Re: First impressions of 2016 3.6L Pentastar

I absolutely love my '15 overland with the 3.6. I came from the truck world and owned various early 2000's silverados/sierras with a V8 and last year I owned a 2013 Sierra 5.3 and also a 2015 sierra 5.3. I have zero regrets going to an SUV with a V6. It has more than enough power to accelerate to 80 quickly and the 8 speed trans shifts way better than any transmission I've had on a GM product. The air ride suspension is so much smoother than the GM pickups too, but that's another story. One happy customer here.

I also average 22-23mpg highway and I've seen upwards of 26mpg (500+ miles to a tank) on long drives at 60-65mph. My trucks never broke 19mpg.
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