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Old 08-22-2015, 08:38 AM
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Re: First Oil Change Complete

One thing I did want to mention, was I took off the oil filter first, before I drained the oil. I normally always drain the oil, then remove the filter. I did it opposite just in case I couldn't remove the filter. It looked a bit tough to get at with the tools I had. Also, I had no idea how tight the factory puts them on, or if they lubricate the seal first, and I didn't want to pollute 7 quarts of new oil. Anyway, it came right off.

What I did notice was how much oil drained out when I got the filter loose! It drained for at least 2 minutes. Normally on every car I've ever had, you get a few ounces drip out once you loosen the seal. The rest stays in the filter. Even with horizontal mounted oil filters, not that much leaks out.

I don't know if it's because I did it backwards, removing the filter first, or if this is normal with the 5.7 HEMI. Do you guys have a lot leak out of the filter if you drain the pan first? I don't see why it would matter either way?

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Old 08-22-2015, 09:51 AM
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Re: First Oil Change Complete

since we were just talking about this check here

Its the dipstick! On the hemi
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:28 AM
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Re: First Oil Change Complete

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since we were just talking about this check here

Its the dipstick! On the hemi

Silvermax,

Here's the deal, I just checked mine. My part # is correct: 53034186, but the letter suffix is "AC", not "AD". I don't know if that means anything or not? The number is located at the very top of the dipstick, not the middle as shown in the service bulletin. Mine reads 1/2 qt. low with 7 quarts, not 1 qt. low. Again not like the service bulletin indicates.

So once again, we're as clear as mud. There has to be some margin of error with these things. I looked yesterday while I was crawling around under there, and that's a damn big oil pan. 1/2 qt. one way or the other isn't going to raise or lower the level much over that large of a surface area. Also, the length of these dipstick tubes are made by simply chopping them off with a part off tool in a screw machine. They spit them out. The manufacturing tolerance on the length can't be that great.

Then you've got how they're assembled. If they're pressed into the block a bit too much, or too little there will be a slight discrepancy there. Last but not least is the tolerance on the dipstick itself, along with how it's attached to the plastic handle. The end of the tube itself is also flared. Again, a bit too much or too little will show a different level.

Add all these variations up, and if the tolerance is stacked all one way or the other, you could easily get a 1/2 qt. variation or more. Mine has been driven with the oil level at "Full" for almost 1,000 miles now. Which equals 7-1/2 quarts as I proved to myself yesterday. No blue smoke, or discolored exhaust. (If you're burning oil, you'll see white/bluish residue inside of your tailpipes). It doesn't take much, especially with chromed exhaust tips. So I'm not going to worry about it. At least not now.


I've also stood directly behind the vehicle, and remote started it after sitting overnight. Same deal, no smoke.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:50 AM
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Silvermax,

Here's the deal, I just checked mine. My part # is correct: 53034186, but the letter suffix is "AC", not "AD". I don't know if that means anything or not? The number is located at the very top of the dipstick, not the middle as shown in the service bulletin. Mine reads 1/2 qt. low with 7 quarts, not 1 qt. low. Again not like the service bulletin indicates.

So once again, we're as clear as mud. There has to be some margin of error with these things. I looked yesterday while I was crawling around under there, and that's a damn big oil pan. 1/2 qt. one way or the other isn't going to raise or lower the level much over that large of a surface area. Also, the length of these dipstick tubes are made by simply chopping them off with a part off tool in a screw machine. They spit them out. The manufacturing tolerance on the length can't be that great.

Then you've got how they're assembled. If they're pressed into the block a bit too much, or too little there will be a slight discrepancy there. Last but not least is the tolerance on the dipstick itself, along with how it's attached to the plastic handle. The end of the tube itself is also flared. Again, a bit too much or too little will show a different level.

Add all these variations up, and if the tolerance is stacked all one way or the other, you could easily get a 1/2 qt. variation or more. Mine has been driven with the oil level at "Full" for almost 1,000 miles now. Which equals 7-1/2 quarts as I proved to myself yesterday. No blue smoke, or discolored exhaust. (If you're burning oil, you'll see white/bluish residue inside of your tailpipes). It doesn't take much, especially with chromed exhaust tips. So I'm not going to worry about it. At least not now.


I've also stood directly behind the vehicle, and remote started it after sitting overnight. Same deal, no smoke.
Billt, the letters at the end of the number are revision numbers so an AC is an earlier revision than AD. They likely came out with AD revision to correct the length being wrong. I agree the dipstick is not a precise measure but when you get done with an oil change and put in the recommend 7 quarts the dip stick should not read add a quart which mine does, that's just too far off. and the likely cause of the blue smoke issues that people were having due to over filling. Anyway local dealers are out of the updated dipstick but I ordered one of the ADs was only $18 including shipping as I have no plans to return to the dealer unless there is a 5th recall. will let you know what it looks like when I get it.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:56 AM
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Re: First Oil Change Complete

What I'll do is wait a while until most of this blows over. Then I'll just drive by the dealership, pull the old dipstick, take it in to the service dept. and have them swap it out. That way I can directly compare the length. What a PITA!
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Silvermax,

Here's the deal, I just checked mine. My part # is correct: 53034186, but the letter suffix is "AC", not "AD". I don't know if that means anything or not? The number is located at the very top of the dipstick, not the middle as shown in the service bulletin. Mine reads 1/2 qt. low with 7 quarts, not 1 qt. low. Again not like the service bulletin indicates.

So once again, we're as clear as mud. There has to be some margin of error with these things. I looked yesterday while I was crawling around under there, and that's a damn big oil pan. 1/2 qt. one way or the other isn't going to raise or lower the level much over that large of a surface area. Also, the length of these dipstick tubes are made by simply chopping them off with a part off tool in a screw machine. They spit them out. The manufacturing tolerance on the length can't be that great.

Then you've got how they're assembled. If they're pressed into the block a bit too much, or too little there will be a slight discrepancy there. Last but not least is the tolerance on the dipstick itself, along with how it's attached to the plastic handle. The end of the tube itself is also flared. Again, a bit too much or too little will show a different level.

Add all these variations up, and if the tolerance is stacked all one way or the other, you could easily get a 1/2 qt. variation or more. Mine has been driven with the oil level at "Full" for almost 1,000 miles now. Which equals 7-1/2 quarts as I proved to myself yesterday. No blue smoke, or discolored exhaust. (If you're burning oil, you'll see white/bluish residue inside of your tailpipes). It doesn't take much, especially with chromed exhaust tips. So I'm not going to worry about it. At least not now.


I've also stood directly behind the vehicle, and remote started it after sitting overnight. Same deal, no smoke.
They had the same issues on Cummins 5.9 back in the early-mid 2000's.... I had one of the ram 2500's that took 13 ( instead if the recommended 12) to register full on the stick. Dealer told me to put 12 in and don't worry about it, but they never did alter or replace the faulty stick/diptubes..... Only comforting thing was on a pan that big, I don't think it cared if it had 12 or 13 either really....
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Re: First Oil Change Complete

Another thing to remember with a slight overfill, (1/2 to 1 quart), is with the very thin, light weight oils that are recommended for these engines, (5W-20), is they drain back into the pan very rapidly. They don't "build up" in the block.

I forget which year or model V-8, but Oldsmobile was notorious for having one of their older model 400+ cubic inch V-8 engines do this. At high RPM for any extended length of time, the oil pump could actually suck the crankcase dry, causing engine damage. This happened because the oil could not drain back into the pan as fast as the oil pump pumped it out. This was especially true in high performance boat applications that run over 4,000 RPM for long periods of time. Back when I lived in Lake Havasu City, my neighbor had a go fast boat that he installed some type of kit, in order to prevent this type of thing. It consisted of installing some type of baffles, along with a high capacity, deep oil pan, and a different size pick up tube.

Many guys didn't install it, and just purposefully overfilled the standard oil pan in a, "MacGyver" type fix. If they used SAE 30W or 40W, like many engines took back then, they would either burn oil at startup, or else blow it out the breather all over everything, or all of the above. I doubt that would be such an issue today. Especially in very warm desert climates. When I did my oil change, I was surprised at just how thin the 5W-20 Pennzoil was. It poured out of the jug like water.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:41 AM
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Consider a Fumoto valve (F106N). Probably cheaper then a new oil pan and MUCH cleaner. Plus you can change the oil at a higher temperature.
I just ordered this one. It should be here Thursday.

Amazon.com: Fumoto F-106N Engine Oil Drain Valve: Automotive

I'll install it on my next oil change. Between it and the K&N Oil Filters with the 1" hex on the end, I should be all set. I'm going to pick up a few feet of 1/2" I.D. clear Neoprene hose to fit on the nipple. Then I'll be able to drain it without spilling a drop, except for whatever drips off the filter.
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After noticing how protected the drain plug is, I just may do that. I had one on a VW Diesel Rabbit I had back in 1979. It worked well. Will a F106N fit a 2015 5.7 HEMI?
Also look at the F106S (vs the F106N).

Finally, get the new plastic lever safety clip that compliments the Fumoto valve; peace of mind.
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Also look at the F106S (vs the F106N).

Finally, get the new plastic lever safety clip that compliments the Fumoto valve; peace of mind.
I went with the F106S also and put the plastic elbow on it along with hose I leave attached. either works fine but the plastic elbow is nice if you leave a hose permanently attached, elbow will pop off with force preventing strain or breakage of the valve if the hose were to ever to fall out of place and get yanked on for any reason.

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Re: First Oil Change Complete

My Fumoto F-106N valve arrived Thursday. It's all but identical to the one I had on a 1979 Volkswagen Rabbit Diesel back in the day. It never failed me, or leaked a drop through countless oil changes. If I have as good of luck with this one, I'll be a happy camper. It doesn't look like they cut any corners, or reduced the quality. The ball socket valve is nice and tight, and the threads are cut nice and clean with no chatter or burrs.

I really like the way it's going to fit on the Grand Cherokee. It is very well protected, yet easy to get at. I'll stop by Home Depot and pick up some clear 7/16th's I.D. Neoprene tubing, and I should be all set for my next oil change. Between the K&N Oil Filters with the nut on the end, and the Fumoto Valve, along with my new oversized drain pan it should be a breeze. It sure is a hell of a lot easier to crawl underneath the Grand Cherokee, than it was the Mustang I traded in! At 62 it's not so easy to move around underneath there!
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