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Old 11-29-2011, 02:23 AM
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We got up in the morning on Thanksgiving Day and left, so there were some spurts where we could do 80. Traffic was way worse than I expected though. We left to come back Saturday afternoon and same thing, way worse than I expected.

You know as well as I do thats just always a terrible trip LOL



I'm on my second, and I've had aftermarket integration in others and tried it out in a whole bunch of different vehicles. I agree, in general none of them work well for navigating through the iPod's playlists, etc. However, I have never had one have playback issues like the system does in the Jeep.

In the Lexus you plug the iPod in, and it plays music flawlessly within playlists, etc. Shut the car off and turn it back on and it remembers where you were within its shuffle, and even within the song you were listening to. This is true if you unplug the iPod/iPhone or not. The Jeep has none of that functionality, and on top of that it cuts songs off, starts songs too early, randomly stops playback so you have to skip a song to get it going again. On a long trip its pretty annoying. Now, there are options, you can use the AUX-in or Bluetooth streaming and retain the iPhone's internal controls for managing the music, but the AUX requires an annoying cable coming from the radio face, and the BT streaming reduces sound quality...and they don't charge the device.

Seeing that the iPod is the ubiquitous music storage device in the world, I don't see an excuse for Chrysler designing a system that doesn't work well with it, especially in a brand new vehicle design. It should have been specifically what the system was designed around, with other devices being secondary...since its the most popular. Thats how other carmakers design their systems.

I have no interest in putting music on some other device just to use it in the Jeep, fighting iTunes to let me do that...I want my $40,000 vehicle with designed and advertised iPod integration to work properly with the device I already have all my music on...

But...like I said...its a minor thing overall and otherwise the Jeep performed great. I'd say the iPod functionality and the annoying nature of the uConnect phone system are are only real gripes about the Jeep...at least the only ones we weren't prepared for going in.
Great feedback, currently driving a VW with RNS510 head unit, iPhone / iPod dream!
Getting a Laredo with 430N in Januay, I drive a lot and that poor integration I don't like...
At least there is bluetooth streaming from iPhone what I Iike a lot for Internet radio and Podcasts without the need for plugging in the iPhone (while the iPod is connected via USB), started reading the 430N manual...
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

[QUOTE=ColdCase;523236][QUOTE=SW03ES;522722]
Navigation and audio: Ours has the Garmin 430N which we don't particularly care for, I think the 730N is a good upgrade if one is buying a trim where its available. The cartoony graphics of the Garmin leave a lot to be desired for us, but we knew that going in.
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I just wanted to comment that, after using GPS products for decades, the 730N is a step down as far as GPS function and performance from the 430N. There is good reason that Garmin leads the world in GPS receiver ratings and popularity, and companies like Harman had to drop out of the GPS market due to poor performance. The 730N looks the same as harman product of about 5 years ago and its only redeeming values is the dead reckoning and a pretty good voice command implementation. The Garmin software, however, offers subtle but important features and displays navigation in a simple well thought out way that only Harman can dream about. Oneís perception of cartoon is is an elegant and effective method for displaying direction guidance to most (BTW the level of detail is configurable).

I could go on about the Harmanís propensity for forgetting addresses and avoiding side streets. How awkward finding POIs are (and undependable) and that the directions it comes up are often poor, adding miles or hours onto your trip. Its estimate time of arrival is useless, always 10-20% off, and does not adapt to your driving style. It leaves simple things out like a speed limit indication or lane changing aids (both radios use the same map data base). There is no way to add custom points of interest or narration available in several national parks, for example. The 730N display lacks critical information at a glance and is hard/confusing to read in a pinch, but you can get used to it. Now that Iíve learned to live with its lack of features, even Iím getting used to it. The 730N effort is amateurish at best, but perfectly suitable for amateurs, who certainly can be more than happy with it, IMHO J.

The Garmin software isnít perfect, it doesnít always consider the effects of stop lights for example, but is better by far than the archaic Harman offering.
I couldn't agree more with Cold Case's assessment of the 730N. Why it is considered an "upgrade" and costs more than the 430N is beyond me. I have a 730N in my 300C SRT8 and it frustrates the hell out of me everytime I use it. After spending about a month or so with it prior to ordering my Jeep, I knew I'd be going with the 430N in it, so I would have the intuitive interface I'd come to enjoy with the Garmin unit I have on my motorcycle and had in the Ram truck I was trading. The Harmon interface and all the useless nonsense that's displayed on the screen along with the map is horrible, IMHO.
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

I have had both the 430 and 730. IMO, the 730 gives much nicer map graphics, not cartoony like the 430 as someone else said. Also, I like that the 730 shows the amount of hours/min left on your trip as well as the amount of miles. As a result, I made sure that my WK2 had the 730. Didn't like the fact that it costs more, but that is the case in many things.
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

Having had several vehicles with the GPS built-in and never being satisfied with them, I was thrilled to find mine WITHOUT the GPS. A friend of mine bought a WK2 and specifically went out of his way to find one without the built-in GPS. May I recommend the iPhone-like Garmin 3790t portable unit to those who want a fast and usable GPS? I'm sorry to hear about these in-unit GPS frustrations but the manufacturers look at this as just simply another bell/whistle without consideration to how much some of us depend on GPS. Hopefully that changes in the future, but I will probably remain a stubborn separate-unit-GPS user.
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Cool Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

Thanks for your report I am waiting for the diesel to get here then i can make my mind up which one to get again thanks and enjoy your ride
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At least there is bluetooth streaming from iPhone what I Iike a lot for Internet radio and Podcasts without the need for plugging in the iPhone (while the iPod is connected via USB), started reading the 430N manual...
Yeah the BT streaming works fine because it uses the iPhone's music program to manage the music and playback, it also works for Pandora or i Heart Radio, etc. The quality isn't great though.

As for the 430 vs 730, it sounds like most folks who prefer the 430 are used to Garmin navigation. We're used to factory built in nav systems, we've had them for almost 10 years now. Neither of us like the Garmin interface because it just seems "dumbed down" from what we're accustomed to, which is why we prefer the 730N.
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

I actually love the 730N RHR in that it can sync via bluetooth with my Samsung Focus Windows 7.5 phone. The music sounds fine and making phone calls and sending text messages via my voice is really, really nice.

As for the navigation feature of the 730N, it works, but I don't think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think I'll continue to use my Garmin 60CSx that I was using in my old Jeep if I need to get to a waypoint. Not only is it faster finding a POI but I like the routing better.

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Yeah the BT streaming works fine because it uses the iPhone's music program to manage the music and playback, it also works for Pandora or i Heart Radio, etc. The quality isn't great though.

As for the 430 vs 730, it sounds like most folks who prefer the 430 are used to Garmin navigation. We're used to factory built in nav systems, we've had them for almost 10 years now. Neither of us like the Garmin interface because it just seems "dumbed down" from what we're accustomed to, which is why we prefer the 730N.
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

My problem with the uConnect system is all the voice prompts you have to listen to.

So...you want to make a call...

It has to say your recorded phone name...

Then "uConnect Phone Ready"

Then you say who you want to call...it repeats the name and asks you if it is correct.

Then you hang up and it has to say "phone call completed"

Incoming call...has to say the name, you answer...but you have to wait for it to finish saying the name before it will connect...

Obnoxious. Call quality is fine...
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Re: First road trip in the WK2...my thoughts...

Well, I'm used to VW simplicity but I'll adjust...
I can't see myself talking to the car, I like seeing the phone address book on the screen :-) I think the WK2 offers a lot for the money but the Headunit is not yet state of the art. A great headunit would cost money.




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You can't compare much to the VW RNS510 - VERY well designed system. uConnect is pretty crappy, but it gets the job done.
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