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Re: Fog Light Usage

The stock foglights in my overland are not LEDS. I noticed that they are "running" during the day when I have auto mode on for the lights. I don't bother to turn them off because

a) i love the look of them
b) whoever claims it's "blinding" them is completely full of it. they are not bright enough, especially during the day...they're very low intensity and do not hinder anyone's ability to drive. because they are low intensity, there is no real "lens flare" kind of effect on mirrors. It's as if someone was holding a small lamp. If you are tailgating a sports car, it may come up in their mirrors but that wouldn't even be enough to blind them. if you have LED foglights, that's a totally differ issue.

I have had people with foglights tailgate me while I'm in my Porsche. Never had a problem unless they were LEDs.

The law here in Kuwait has nothing against foglights during any condition. If you want to keep them on, just check with your states laws...if it's not against the law then who cares - you're clearly not going to annoy anyone unless you have LED foglights.

Sorry if I sound a bit forward and rude, but I just don't see how normal foglights can blind drivers, especially during the day? It's usually brighter out than the foglights can project...again, LED foglights are a differ story. I know that my overland foglights are not bright at all. One gent mentioned that "my lights are on" at the traffic light. I told him they were automatic and he said oh okay. After that incident I checked to see the light intensity. I parked the overland behind my Porsche and looked in the mirror, not even a hint of a glare or sort of uncomfortable feeling.

Some states may outlaw it because some inconsiderate people with LED foglights are causing discomfort for other drivers.

If you dislike em you can always turn them off.

I don't see how it would be outlawed though, especially since it comes with the option to have "daylight running lights" on. If I recall correctly it was an option in the evic menu somewhere. Anyways, it's always safe to double check your state laws before anything.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

In Connecticut, "[t]here must be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, aimed and of such intensity to show people and vehicles at a distance of at least 500 feet for all conditions. There must be a lowermost distribution of light aimed and of sufficient intensity to show people and vehicles at a distance of at least 100 feet ahead and, on a straight level road, none of the high intensity portion of the beam can be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver."

These regulations don't seem to contemplate foggy conditions, when visibility is less than 500 feet. Under foggy conditions, using only fog lights might provide visibility at a greater distance than using only low beam headlights or using a combination of low beam headlights and foglights together.

I guess you could argue that if visibility is less than 500 feet, you shouldn't be driving anyway. . . .
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Whoever claims it's "blinding" them is completely full of it. they are not bright enough, especially during the day...they're very low intensity and do not hinder anyone's ability to drive. because they are low intensity, there is no real "lens flare" kind of effect on mirrors.
I realized that fact to an extent after helping WK2 owners with fogs and figuring out that the stock WK2 fog was 24w so it makes sense. Most vehicles I assume have a 40w - 50w fog so when you talk about that wattage then it makes sense in a reflector fog housing.
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IMO The Jeeps fog lamps are nowhere near bright enough to affect peoples vision in on oncoming situation.

I find that the new LED bulbs however are nearly blinding whether someone is behind me or in oncoming traffic. I think at some point the LEDs will either be outlawed or regulated.


BMW is preparing laser based lights, will see how healthy they are I agree with you, fogs are harmless.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

Fog lights in the day don't bother me, but at night they do affect my vision. But those who insist on keeping them on at night and affecting my vision doesn't surprise me as there are a lot of rude drivers on the road like those who don't understand the turn on red law . How many times I see people don't come to a complete stop when making a right turn on red and then pull out in front of me making me brake. You need to make a complete stop and then yield to on coming traffic. If I have to brake, you are not yielding to me. And then those are the ones who insist on tailgating.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

I can't believe this is an actual thread. Is this thread really serious? 4 pages of this thread so far to discuss if fog lights hurt other drivers eyes and if they're considered rude and when and how to use them? Seriously, are there people who don't know that their taillights come on when they turn their parking lamps on?
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I can't believe this is an actual thread. Is this thread really serious? 4 pages of this thread so far to discuss if fog lights hurt other drivers eyes and if they're considered rude and when and how to use them? Seriously, are there people who don't know that their taillights come on when they turn their parking lamps on?
Even if you view it as an ignorant or unnecessary thread, people misusing their fogs is a pretty big problem. Whether it be ignorance on their part or just plain not realizing it, it does exist.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

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Even if you view it as an ignorant or unnecessary thread, people misusing their fogs is a pretty big problem. Whether it be ignorance on their part or just plain not realizing it, it does exist.

You mean its possible to misuse a fog light? You are aware that some cars don't even allow you to turn them off when the headlights are on right?

Count me among those who are misusing my stock fog lights. I'll continue to blind and annoy squirrels and possums who are the only ones who can get blinded by a low beam fog light sitting less than a foot off the ground.

Of all the annoying night time driving habits people have, this can't possibly be considered a major problem or even a problem at all.
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You mean its possible to misuse a fog light? You are aware that some cars don't even allow you to turn them off when the headlights are on right?
It's certainly possible to misuse your fog light. The fact of using it in a non-fog condition is practicing misuse. I'm sure there are cars that allow you to turn the fogs off in conjunction with the low-beam but I'm sure a lot do not allow you to.

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Count me among those who are misusing my stock fog lights. I'll continue to blind and annoy squirrels and possums who are the only ones who can get blinded by a low beam fog light sitting less than a foot off the ground.
That's just being foolish, depending on your ride height some cars fogs can aim directly at your eyes. Seeing as a lot aim straight forward a lot of the times and not down like a low-beam it's a possibility.

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Of all the annoying night time driving habits people have, this can't possibly be considered a major problem or even a problem at all.
Well if you care about your safety at night and ability to see then it's a reasonable concern.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

I read this entire thread on Friday, but didn't comment right away.
At first I wanted to based on what I thought at the time, but instead decided to undertake a test on the way home from work.
My test Friday night specifically was to check on how many vehicles ran with Fog lights, and once out of the city, and on 2-lane roads, to see if oncoming vehicles with fogs actually bothered me.

My drive is approximately 50 minutes, with 50% highway, and 50% country roads.
In the city and on the highway, there is so much overhead lighting that you could turn all your lights off, and barely notice any difference.
I observed that around 10% of the vehicles drove with their fogs on.
OF those it was mostly trucks, and SUV's.
Is that because most cars don't have them? (perhaps another discussion)

Then once in the country, I observed that the number of vehicls with FOG lights on, rose maybe, 20 or 25%.
Now here is the interesting part. In not one single case did the useage of FOG lights bother me.
Why?
Because in every single case the light intensity of the FOGS was either really low, or they must have been aimed low.
In several cars, the headlights were rather strong, or sometimes, the owners had put in those BLUE toned lights, which irritate the eyes.
But FOGS?
pah, hardly noticable.
Now that doesn't mean I haven't seen where someone has put in HID or super strong lights, that matched the intensity of their headlights.
But I'd say that is rare, and not once have I ever had to "flash" someone because their fogs bothered me.
I only flash someone if they leave their HIGH beams on, and I do it sparingly.
I'm not out to blind someone.

So, IMHO, the use of FOGS doesn't bother me in the least.
If someone wants to use them to get a little more side vision, or coverage, more power to them.
I say - go for it.
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I read this entire thread on Friday, but didn't comment right away.
At first I wanted to based on what I thought at the time, but instead decided to undertake a test on the way home from work.
My test Friday night specifically was to check on how many vehicles ran with Fog lights, and once out of the city, and on 2-lane roads, to see if oncoming vehicles with fogs actually bothered me.

My drive is approximately 50 minutes, with 50% highway, and 50% country roads.
In the city and on the highway, there is so much overhead lighting that you could turn all your lights off, and barely notice any difference.
I observed that around 10% of the vehicles drove with their fogs on.
OF those it was mostly trucks, and SUV's.
Is that because most cars don't have them? (perhaps another discussion)

Then once in the country, I observed that the number of vehicls with FOG lights on, rose maybe, 20 or 25%.
Now here is the interesting part. In not one single case did the useage of FOG lights bother me.
Why?
Because in every single case the light intensity of the FOGS was either really low, or they must have been aimed low.
In several cars, the headlights were rather strong, or sometimes, the owners had put in those BLUE toned lights, which irritate the eyes.
But FOGS?
pah, hardly noticable.
Now that doesn't mean I haven't seen where someone has put in HID or super strong lights, that matched the intensity of their headlights.
But I'd say that is rare, and not once have I ever had to "flash" someone because their fogs bothered me.
I only flash someone if they leave their HIGH beams on, and I do it sparingly.
I'm not out to blind someone.

So, IMHO, the use of FOGS doesn't bother me in the least.
If someone wants to use them to get a little more side vision, or coverage, more power to them.
I say - go for it.
I concur.

I don't see how its physically possible to get blinded by an OEM fog light. The power output and the physical position is lower, and even their physicall size is smaller. Even if the fogs were pointed straight up at other cars (in the Jeep this is impossible given the fogs sit in a recessed housing), and given fact that your eyes have already adjusted to the much brighter headlight, how would an extra low wattage light source really hurt your eyes?

That being said, I've been driving around with fogs on for over 10 years and not once has someone flashed their lights at me complaining about them. It rarely gets foggy for me at night, and even when it is, the headlights alone seem to do a pretty decent job on their own.

To answer your question about cars not having fogs, they're usually offered only on higher trim models, and even then, they're more of a "driving light", which is just a pretentious way of showing off you have the higher trim package at night. In some of these cases (mid 90's Mustangs for example) you can't drive with just the "fogs" on. You must have the headlights on as well, which completely negates their use as an actual fog light. But when you look in your mirror at them, you can spot a GT from a lowly LX much easier. Cause that's important to know.
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It's certainly possible to misuse your fog light. The fact of using it in a non-fog condition is practicing misuse. I'm sure there are cars that allow you to turn the fogs off in conjunction with the low-beam but I'm sure a lot do not allow you to.



That's just being foolish, depending on your ride height some cars fogs can aim directly at your eyes. Seeing as a lot aim straight forward a lot of the times and not down like a low-beam it's a possibility.



Well if you care about your safety at night and ability to see then it's a reasonable concern.
You'd love this thread: Add driving lights to WK2's two open spots in bumper?
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