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Re: Fog Light Usage

2011 WK2 Overland, Stock Lighting, Approx 20' to vertical surface, no camera flash

High + Low + Fog



Low + Fogs



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Fog Only

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Re: Fog Light Usage

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2011 WK2 Overland, Stock Lighting, Approx 20' to vertical surface, no camera flash

High + Low + Fog



Low + Fogs



Low Only



Fog Only

Good comparison shots. I've been wanting to do this also.
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I concur.

I don't see how its physically possible to get blinded by an OEM fog light. The power output and the physical position is lower, and even their physicall size is smaller. Even if the fogs were pointed straight up at other cars (in the Jeep this is impossible given the fogs sit in a recessed housing), and given fact that your eyes have already adjusted to the much brighter headlight, how would an extra low wattage light source really hurt your eyes?

That being said, I've been driving around with fogs on for over 10 years and not once has someone flashed their lights at me complaining about them. It rarely gets foggy for me at night, and even when it is, the headlights alone seem to do a pretty decent job on their own.

To answer your question about cars not having fogs, they're usually offered only on higher trim models, and even then, they're more of a "driving light", which is just a pretentious way of showing off you have the higher trim package at night. In some of these cases (mid 90's Mustangs for example) you can't drive with just the "fogs" on. You must have the headlights on as well, which completely negates their use as an actual fog light. But when you look in your mirror at them, you can spot a GT from a lowly LX much easier. Cause that's important to know.
I like how you think any blindness from the fogs exists outside the realm of possibility. Thought it may not be bright enough to warrant the other driver to take the time to flash you it can still exist and persist.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:57 PM
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Re: Fog Light Usage

^RG, Fellows isn't just relying on not being flashed by oncoming drivers, he's also pointing out fact that the stocker fogs have lower power and light output.

Look at the photos above. The stock fogs cast not only a lower output than the low beams, but also do so at a lower height, maybe not the same crisp cutoff height as the headlamps, but it's pretty clean.

Based on the photos, lower actual stocker fog output, and my own personal experience driving the WK2 for the past 15 months - I completely agree with Fellows (and the 8+ other guys in this thread saying the same thing - the stockers aren't bright or high enough to blind oncomers).
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Re: Fog Light Usage

The only fog lights that I find to be a PITA is those that have HIDs in them matching the same color as their low beams. And even then, its not that bad....
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^RG, Fellows isn't just relying on not being flashed by oncoming drivers, he's also pointing out fact that the stocker fogs have lower power and light output.

Look at the photos above. The stock fogs cast not only a lower output than the low beams, but also do so at a lower height, maybe not the same crisp cutoff height as the headlamps, but it's pretty clean.

Based on the photos, lower actual stocker fog output, and my own personal experience driving the WK2 for the past 15 months - I completely agree with Fellows (and the 8+ other guys in this thread saying the same thing - the stockers aren't bright or high enough to blind oncomers).
lol, I was never trying to make the claim the WK2 fogs blind people because I know for a fact they use less wattage than most fogs. I'm simply saying blindness can occur in the realm or area of fog lights and denying that in my opinion is foolish.
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Re: Fog Light Usage

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I just realized today that I've been driving around with my fog lights on. I never turned them on - I just have the headlights set to Auto. Its possible that the dealer turned them on when showing me the car or maybe they came on as default?

Is it normal to drive with your fog lights on in addition to your headlights? Seems unnecessary and rude to me. Seems like you should only drive with the fog lights on when there is actual fog. But I didn't know what is typically done with the JGC, which is why I'm asking for feedback.
Not rude at all, whats rude and inconsiderate is when High-Beams are used on foggy days. Here in NYC on foggy days radio Djs remind drivers to not use high-beams as opposed to "fog lights". I use my fog lights most of the time as the added bonus as Grand Cherokee Stock lights are not blinding at all.
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lol, I was never trying to make the claim the WK2 fogs blind people because I know for a fact they use less wattage than most fogs. I'm simply saying blindness can occur in the realm or area of fog lights and denying that in my opinion is foolish.
So much for being considerate of other drivers. Because it doesn't affect them, they assume it doesn't affect others. Well I like the way my high beams looks, so I guess I will keep them on all the tme, because they don't bother me
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So much for being considerate of other drivers. Because it doesn't affect them, they assume it doesn't affect others. Well I like the way my high beams looks, so I guess I will keep them on all the tme, because they don't bother me
That sounds about the right train of thought.
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I've been part of on-line discussion where people proclaim that fog light use during conditions other than rain or fog should be punishable by forty lashes.

Personally, I generally use them at night as a supplement to my low beams. Properly aimed fog lights won't blind anyone, and I find that they do help with the illumination of the roadside when using low beams. Given the fact that I often drive in areas populated by suicidal deer, I think it offers a small degree of added safety.
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Fog lights are on anytime my headlights are on. Never had a problem with other people's fog lights. Now high beams and miss aligned headlights can be a little annoying. .


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If foglights was that much of a bad thing, then you wouldn't be able to have them set to the on spot when you turn your headlights to autolights......
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