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Re: For those who drive a Hemi 5.7

I am on my 3rd jeep and all have had V8 in them. The first was a 96 with the bullet proof 318 , the second was an 08 srt with the 6.1 , and now the 14 summit with the 5.7 hemi. I have tried out a couple of the V6 and also the diesel engines. After trying all the engines I wouldn't even consider a V6 in a heavy vehicle as it is working harder to carry the weight. The mileage is not a huge difference between the 6 and 8 , so the mileage was never a consideration. I want the power to tow , and for quick take offs in high traffic situations and the power to pass without having to worry about how far will I need to do it.
For what I wanted the 8 is the no contest choice , and now with 2019 saying there will be no more hemi or V8 , I will definitely get one more new jeep before ten with the hemi in it.

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Re: For those who drive a Hemi 5.7

Had a 04 WJ Overland with the 4.7L HO V8, and a 09 WK Limited with the 4.7L, so I was used to the lousy gas mileage.

Test drove a 15 V6 Overland. I didn't like the feel of the steering on the V6, it felt like I was disconnected from the road. I guess that was due to the power steering setup in the V6, and the 845RE transmission scared me a little bit based on what I read here at JG. Also thought the V6 had to work a little harder to get the Grand up to speed.

Drove the V8 Overland and it felt like every other Grand Cherokee I've ever driven. Connected to the road. Firm. Smooth, easy acceleration. I liked that the Germans built the ZF 8HP70. Resale/trade-in value will also be a little bit higher (I hope) when its time to trade it in on something else.

I'm 34, single, own my own home and can afford to spend the money on me. I fill once a week at between 1/4 and 1/2 and put 89 in. Costs me about $30.

And, well... the sound the HEMI makes when you stomp on it in Sport mode is just intoxicating. Even stock, I love the sound it makes. Kind of hard to not push it a little bit at stoplights, but Eco mode fixes that.

I don't regret my choice at all.

Just my $0.02.

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Old 03-12-2016, 11:42 AM
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Yeah that sounds about right. I don't know what the torque of the V6 is, but I think the V8 is 390. It's a big difference, but IMO it's surprisingly not a huge seat of the pants difference for whatever reason.
So I'm doing a lot of comparison shopping and searching for my sister who is buying and not that car savvy with tons of questions. I saw this back to back test you had 2 months ago on the v6/v8, why the change of heart, back then you said there was a noticeable power advantage to the v8 but now not? what made you change your mind?

Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:08 PM
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After trying all the engines I wouldn't even consider a V6 in a heavy vehicle as it is working harder to carry the weight.
This was always my biggest concern as well. The less hard an engine has to work overall, the longer it will last. That is why I wouldn't consider a V-6 in a heavy vehicle like the Grand Cherokee. Or even worse, one of those little 4 cylinder, 2 liter buzz bombs, with turbochargers attached to it everywhere. Screaming and burning it's guts out, while trying to make the same horsepower as a 5.7 HEMI, just loafing along right in the middle of it's torque curve.
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So I'm doing a lot of comparison shopping and searching for my sister who is buying and not that car savvy with tons of questions. I saw this back to back test you had 2 months ago on the v6/v8, why the change of heart, back then you said there was a noticeable power advantage to the v8 but now not? what made you change your mind?
Here is the best answer I can give you. Admittedly as with anyone there will be some bias to what you own, but here is my honest opinion now after 1500 miles into ownership of my V6 HA and the reason for the change of heart. As you may have read the HA I test drove overnight had some issues. I wouldn't have bought that one even if they came 10k off msrp. When I test drove that HA it was dead of winter and the thing only had 9 miles on it. I never pushed it hard and now I am now fully acquainted with the vehicle. I never changed my mind about sound. The V8 sounds much better in the cabin, I also didn't change my mind about lower speed power or low end torque. Those are IMO the only speeds where you feel the difference, otherwise at WOT I really can't tell much of a difference. They both go pretty decently for an SUV. As far as the tranny hunting....again, the example I had might not have been the best example and maybe the extreme low mileage and very cold outside temps had something to do with it. With my current HA I actually like how it shifts better than my V8 Summit. Much smoother 1-2 shift which I always felt as being too noticeable of a power interruption. Very smooth on the V6. Sport mode the tranny feels great, but the lack of good sound is what takes away the effect of sport mod. Otherwise it does exactly what my Summit did and is fun.
If I had to do it all over again I would still get the V6. It's nice seeing the fuel economy gauge reading 20 or above instead of 15-16mpg. The lighter all around feel and better handling is what wins me over as well. I also absolutely do not miss the MDS which I swear became more and more noticeable in my V8. It got to the point where I found myself turning off Eco mode just so I didn't have to feel the MDS turning off...mostly in slower driving.
Hope this clarifies things.
Also to those that insist the V6 has to work too hard... It's just absolutely not true. Maybe during towing I could see that, but on its own the V6 moves it with ease. Engine not lasting as long?!? Seriously that's ridiculous.
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As we've all stated it's all opinionated so just be happy with what you've chosen as that's better for the particular individual and not necessarily for the masses. V8-V6 it's all good.
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As we've all stated it's all opinionated so just be happy with what you've chosen as that's better for the particular individual and not necessarily for the masses. V8-V6 it's all good.
yeah honestly I wish I had never showed my sister this entire forum at all the only thing this has done with so many opposing views on everything is served to thoroughly confuse her and cause her more anxiety than she would have had. What I need to do is just to take her car shopping one day, test drive it, if likes it, buy it, done. Too much research can be as bad as not researching enough
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yeah honestly I wish I had never showed my sister this entire forum at all the only thing this has done with so many opposing views on everything is served to thoroughly confuse her and cause her more anxiety than she would have had. What I need to do is just to take her car shopping one day, test drive it, if likes it, buy it, done. Too much research can be as bad as not researching enough
If it makes a difference or helps you and your sister, my wife likes my newer HA V6 much better. She always told me my Summit V8 felt big and heavy and "wobbly" as she described it. She was sort of right as it really was compared to the new one which has lighter steering and a little tighter suspension that drives a little more car like. Personally, I think she would like the 6 more.
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If it makes a difference or helps you and your sister, my wife likes my newer HA V6 much better. She always told me my Summit V8 felt big and heavy and wobbly. She was sort of right as it really was compared to the new one which has lighter steering and a little tighter suspension that drives a little more car like. Personally, I think she would like the 6 more.
The 2016 v6 HA is what she is leaning towards the most but she does live in a more mountainous area, will always have it loaded down with various assortments of crap and kids, may do some lite-moderate towing in the coming years. So the v8 would be more of a functional help vs just wanting it. Quadra Drive that cant be had on the HA v6/v8 would also be a v8 Summit advantage on snowy mountain roads or muddy camping trails. In her situation the v8 could be a functional help not necessarily a requirement though. Just having general power she doesn't care about as much but wants the one that will do the best job for her. If it was going to be used as an A to B Soccer Mom car there would not be much of a decision and she would be getting the v6 but for her purposes she could get some functional use out of the V8. I think either will work for her but its not as cut and dry of a decision for her purposes. I'm going to encourage her to take both on extended test drives and then pick one. Thanks for your insight on it.
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The 2016 v6 HA is what she is leaning towards the most but she does live in a more mountainous area, will always have it loaded down with various assortments of crap and kids, may do some lite-moderate towing in the coming years. So the v8 would be more of a functional help vs just wanting it. Quadra Drive that cant be had on the HA v6/v8 would also be a v8 Summit advantage on snowy mountain roads or muddy camping trails. In her situation the v8 could be a functional help not necessarily a requirement though. Just having general power she doesn't care about as much but wants the one that will do the best job for her. If it was going to be used as an A to B Soccer Mom car there would not be much of a decision and she would be getting the v6 but for her purposes she could get some functional use out of the V8. I think either will work for her but its not as cut and dry of a decision for her purposes. I'm going to encourage her to take both on extended test drives and then pick one. Thanks for your insight on it.
Yeah that would be a little tougher decision to make. Another reason I had V8 buyers remorse like I said before (yeah I know it sounds weird lol), but I literally do nothing more than drive my Jeep to and from work on flat pavement. Never have, never will tow anything or offroad, and there is never anyone else in my Jeep. So as much as I like V8s, it made no sense for me to buy another one. It was a great truck, but about the only thing I miss is the sweet sound it made.
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Therein lies the rub- when considering getting a car with others (family), there are obviously going to be compromises. Fortunately I don't have that issue. It's the same as choosing a manual option over automatic because someone else can't drive stick. If I wanted a Jeep to drive and feel more like a car, I would have bought exactly that- a car. That being said, the V6 is still a great engine. It will be more than adequate for most things. However I still feel some folks need to justify something for the V6 where for some in their hearts, the V8 still matters For me, I will take anything naturally aspirated over anything else if given the choice. Buying the Jeep GC is more an emotional choice than a logical one. I am glad emotions work for me
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Therein lies the rub- when considering getting a car with others (family), there are obviously going to be compromises. Fortunately I don't have that issue. It's the same as choosing a manual option over automatic because someone else can't drive stick. If I wanted a Jeep to drive and feel more like a car, I would have bought exactly that- a car. That being said, the V6 is still a great engine. It will be more than adequate for most things. However I still feel some folks need to justify something for the V6 where in their hearts, the V8 some still matters For me, I will take anything naturally aspirated over anything else if given the choice. Buying the Jeep GC is more an emotional choice than a logical one. I am glad emotions work for me
Buying my 2014 Summit was the easiest decision I ever had to make on cars. I always buy the V8 as long as its available there is never a question its never a decision its just a given, just one of the things I always choose to spend money on, honestly I wish the 6.4L V8 came in the Summit. 4x4 was also a given no decision there. Bluray that was a non decision of a no. So the only one actual decision to make on a Summit to think about was Black or Granite lol. Easiest car I ever bought. Now if I could only be so lucky figuring out my sisters car for her I have spent about 20 times the amount of time on that one lol. she is such a sweet nice person and I just want to see her get the right thing for herself so Iam happy to spend the time though.
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