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#1 ·
Has anyone heard of jeep freezing 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee sales? Heard a rumor that dealers can't sale any 2015s right now?
 
#91 ·
Actually, it's not Neutral. Sometimes, if one is in Drive, depresses the brake pedal and then presses the shifter button while pushing the shifter towards Park, intending to shift into Park, the transmission only goes to Reverse. Then, thinking its in Park, the driver may hit the ignition start/stop button and exit the vehicle with the engine running and transmission in Reverse. Sure, if one is slow and careful, this won't happen. But, unless one is consciously paying close attention, and let's face it .... That is usually not the case, it is quite easy to make this mistake. Consider that after so many years of driving automatic transmissions that behave a certain way, where you can easily feel which gear position you are shifting into without even looking, this new electronic shifter behaves differently. While the vast majority of drivers won't have a serious problem with this, a considerable number will. Hense, the recall currently being developed.
 
#92 ·
OK. I talked with my RI dealer about a price on a '16 (I have a deposit on a '15). We were miles apart in price. I am in DC this week for work and, after researching here, checked out Koons. I contacted Craig Benner, the new JeepGarage contact, this afternoon and went over after work. When I got there the car I mentioned in my e-mail to him was there waiting for me. His price undercut my RI dealer's by $1600, so, instead of flying home tomorrow night I will be driving home in my new '16 JGC Limited. Not only was his price lower than my RI dealer's on a '16, but it wasn't that much higher than their price on the '15. Minimal hassle, minimal aggravation, and the deal is done. Now all that remains is getting my deposit back from the RI dealer . . .
 
#95 · (Edited)
Thanks! I looked at the '16 red at my RI dealer - it's beautiful. A little "richer" than the Deep Cherry. The one I ended up buying is Granite. That was my second choice, but I think it looks great on the JGC. I initially wanted the light frost beige interior, but I have come around to the black. The coppery tone of the "metallic" trim warms it up a bit. It's funny how some cars just look great in certain colours and not in others. Ordinarily I like white cars, but I don't think white flatters the Jeep. Same with silver (just my opinion on both - it's a handsome vehicle no matter the colour).
 

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#96 ·
Wowee! Golly Gee Willigers! How cool is that? Great idea negotiating on the 16 in DC. Enjoy your new baby. I suppose you will be driving it to your RI dealer to get your deposit back with a smile on your face!
 
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#97 · (Edited)
I really wanted to buy my first Jeep from the RI dealer - a family owned business in the same location since the 1920s. They were honest and straightforward with me, but they just couldn't get to the price I needed to make my numbers work. I'll give them all my service work, though, as I have for my 2013 200 convertible and my trusty 1994 Caravan, and I'll feel a little bad about not buying there. But, money is money . . . I'm really glad I stumbled across this forum - it saved me money and has already given me some insight into Jeep ownership. Thanks, everyone. I look forward to learning and sharing more!
 
#99 ·
Don't feel bad for the dealer, I'm sure they wouldn't feel bad about overcharging you. They probably will be better off with servicing your vehicle since that usually ends up being more profitable for them than the new car sales usually anyway. Car dealers have lost my loyalty though poor experiences (except for Koons, would buy another Jeep from them in a heartbeat if they keep those competitive prices).
 
#98 ·
I can understand wanting to patronize that family owned business rather than becoming just another number to behemoths like Auto Nation. But I always wonder just how much I leave on the table after negotiating what I think is a good deal. I also think that with auto sales what they are these days, any sale, as long as the dealer doesn't take a loss is good for the dealer. Your local dealer lost out by being way over what you ended up paying. Greed is bad on either side of the table. That's just my opinion. It's what makes buying a car so difficult. You never know exactly what the bottom line is.
 
#100 ·
MDRRI, can you put that new ride on your expense voucher instead of the plane ticket? ROFLOL!!

My "office" is near there and I travel down frequently for customer meetings. I've avoided stopping at Koons simply because I might be too tempted. LOL
 
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fwiw - I had contacted a dealer in Arizona (phx area) about a 15 with the options I wanted (diesel, 4wd, ORA-II). They replied a few weeks ago they weren't allowed to sell it to me / recall.

Last tuesday I negotiated/agreed to buy a jeep in Texas - 2015 diesel/4wd/ORA-II. They sent me some paperwork with the following info:
Recall Information
Incomplete Recall
Recall Number--- Description------------Part Number ------------ Launch Date
S27 TRANSMISSION ELECTRONIC SHIFT LEVER *INTERIM May 14, 2016
So i can't advise if there's a freeze or not. Dealer 1 in early/mid-May wouldn't sell a 2015 ... dealer 2 will.

Normally I wouldn't touch a vehicle with a recall, but I don't really see this as a true problem, and am looking forward to getting the jeep - hopefully in the next 7-10 days (waiting on financing ppwk etc - long distance purchase, then delivery to me)
 
#103 ·
fwiw - I had contacted a dealer in Arizona (phx area) about a 15 with the options I wanted (diesel, 4wd, ORA-II). They replied a few weeks ago they weren't allowed to sell it to me / recall.

Last tuesday I negotiated/agreed to buy a jeep in Texas - 2015 diesel/4wd/ORA-II. They sent me some paperwork with the following info:


So i can't advise if there's a freeze or not. Dealer 1 in early/mid-May wouldn't sell a 2015 ... dealer 2 will.

Normally I wouldn't touch a vehicle with a recall, but I don't really see this as a true problem, and am looking forward to getting the jeep - hopefully in the next 7-10 days (waiting on financing ppwk etc - long distance purchase, then delivery to me)
It might be that Texas doesn't really consider itself part of the USA. They've been trying to cecede from the Union for many years and don't feel constrained by the US constitution or courts. Why would they follow a freeze by our corrupt system? (I'm joking, of course). I say go for it.
 
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My understanding is that dealers are officially not allowed to sell these vehicles until the recall is resolved. Those that do will face sanctions from FCA. Some might risk it, but most won't. I do wonder, though, if this drags out, how many dealers will take that risk. Paying floor plan on vehicles that can't be sold is a losing proposition.
 
#106 ·
i specifically asked my salesman in Texas if FCA had a 'stop sale' on 2015's due to the transmission recall. He said "no, fix or flash in August"

fwiw ... still waiting for them to send the correct paperwork for the sale so I can hire a shipper and get my jeep...
 
#107 ·
Doesn't matter what a salesman says, NHTSA issued the stop-sale and it is in full force but dealers will forever chose short term profit over laws until they lose a court case, if they ever do....if they will sell it I would buy, hope u r driving your new JGC soon.
 
#111 ·
Yup. That's what it says. Kinda scary, I suppose. So, to be extra careful, until they let us know which cars are included, we should not allow anyone to use the passenger seat before the recall in Dec. 2018.
 
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#114 ·
seems like a quick way to address the airbags would be to disable them - esp. the passenger side. How many years did people drive without any airbags ... not ideal of course, but the way cars are built/crumple zones etc it seems better than getting killed by shrapnel instead of just getting a bruise or broken arm/collar bone etc

i also wonder if they couldn't just put an additional layer of kevlar over the existing airbag for shrapnel? sort of a 'body armor' vest on top of the bag to catch any shrapnel?
 
#115 ·
seems like a quick way to address the airbags would be to disable them - esp. the passenger side. How many years did people drive without any airbags ... not ideal of course, but the way cars are built/crumple zones etc it seems better than getting killed by shrapnel instead of just getting a bruise or broken arm/collar bone etc

i also wonder if they couldn't just put an additional layer of kevlar over the existing airbag for shrapnel? sort of a 'body armor' vest on top of the bag to catch any shrapnel?


That'll never happen................IT'S LOGICAL!!!
 
#118 ·
Not officially as used (ie CPO) are not restricted on sales by feds, but will b when bill passes..... however, dealers r free to be cautious and hold them back but I don't see a dealer doing that if not illegal so it's probably just tight used inventory.
 
#125 ·
I hope that lawsuit falls through, but I also hope it lights a flame under FCA to take these claims serious and speed up their recall process.
 
#126 ·
They already have, twice BEFORE this incident. Original dates were q4 then in may they said it has been "accelerated" to Jul/aug then June 13, 6 days before his accident they announced 3.6 and 5.7 are available immediately (many here have already done it) and 3.0 and 6.4 were Jul/aug.
 
#129 ·
The pace and number of recalls will only increase for all manufacturers....just not possible to b any other way given the rapid infusion of tech, pro-litigation regs/rulings and compression of product dev cycles...etc, etc, etc....
 
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