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Old 05-15-2015, 12:19 PM
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I'm the same way. I've always maintained my vehicles religiously, because it was both affordable, and the smart thing to do. This is no longer the case. With the new ZF 8-Speed you're looking at $300.00 for the pan / filter combination, along with approx. $450.00 worth of fluid. Let's say you can pull this off for just $100.00 in labor, (which I doubt at any dealer today).

You're still looking at over $850.00 to simply service the transmission. As you stated, you're actually better off just driving the thing until it fails under Max Care, then have it towed in, and the entire unit replaced.

So we've gone from transmissions that could be serviced for under $100.00 and rebuilt for $825.00, (the price a transmission shop quoted me to rebuild my 1991 Ford 4-Speed Automatic Overdrive), all the way to $850.00 for the same service, and $4,000.00+ to replace it on a ZF 8-Speed unit.

The downside to all of this "lifetime" nonsense, is we as consumers have no way of knowing how long this so called "lifetime" is? If I'm pulling my boat across the desert with 140,000 miles on the clock, all with original fluid sealed into it's "lifetime" transmission, is that when it's "lifetime" will come to an end?

At least with regular service you had at some knowledge of the condition of the internals, as your vehicle advanced in age and mileage. Now, you just have to hope. As I said, I'm having difficulty adjusting to how this is "better"?
See that is what you have to watch, towing they may not consider "normal use" but who knows. I made that statement for thought but in reality i will probably do 1 change maybe in the 80-90k range and only because i plan to keep it. If i was only planing to keep the jeep less than 100k i would not change it at all based on this.

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Old 05-15-2015, 01:14 PM
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See that is what you have to watch, towing they may not consider "normal use" but who knows. I made that statement for thought but in reality i will probably do 1 change maybe in the 80-90k range and only because i plan to keep it. If i was only planing to keep the jeep less than 100k i would not change it at all based on this.
If they sell the vehicle with a "Towing Package" you pay extra for, I don't see how they would consider towing to be, "not normal use"? I plan on keeping mine for a very long time as well. So I will most likely do the same at 80,000 or so. In the mean time I'll just hope the cost of the fluid comes down, and they'll somehow come up with a way to make an injection molded plastic part for under $300.00.

If Chrysler starts losing their a$$ with these things failing under Max Care Warranty, they just may come up with some type of an updated, affordable service routine for them.
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People can believe whatever they want. It's silly to argue the point. Speaking for myself, even if it didn't matter in regards to the life of the fuel pump, it doesn't take the application of many brain cells, to always be riding around on empty. Where is the advantage or reward? It's always the same people who do it. I've got a 26 gallon tank in my vehicle. Why would I continually ride around with 4 gallons in it?
Although I suspect there are anti-green repercussions from all the extra fuel weight being carried over the life of a vehicle, somehow I just sleep better at night never letting it get very far below half a tank, more often running at 3/4 or better even on long trips.

Nothing to do with worrying about the fuel pump...
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Although I suspect there are anti-green repercussions from all the extra fuel weight being carried over the life of a vehicle, somehow I just sleep better at night never letting it get very far below half a tank, more often running at 3/4 or better even on long trips.

Nothing to do with worrying about the fuel pump...
I'm the same way. However I believe a tank full of fuel is a better environment for the fuel pump. A full tank also limits condensation development. Less air inside the tank equals less condensation.
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Re: Fuel Tank Level & Fuel Pump Life ?

In all the things in day to day life you worry of this rubbish.. thank god i live in a free country, where we obviously stress less.
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thank god i live in a free country, where we obviously stress less.
"Free country" Yeah, right. Where your socialist government came and confiscated all your guns.
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Re: Fuel Tank Level & Fuel Pump Life ?

Not everyone needs a gun some of us are happy that way and are actually much more safer. The laws dont stop uou owning one for the right reasons i enjoy my freedom
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:35 AM
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Funny how its always about guns in good ol usa. Btw i do also have them bill
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Although I suspect there are anti-green repercussions from all the extra fuel weight being carried over the life of a vehicle, somehow I just sleep better at night never letting it get very far below half a tank, more often running at 3/4 or better even on long trips.

Nothing to do with worrying about the fuel pump...
Overall, that's a good practice. Keeping a tank full or mostly full does several things:

1) It lessens the chance you'll run out. If you're in the habit of keeping the tank full, you'll always have plenty for times when you can't stop for fuel as often.

2) A full tank of gas stays fresher than an nearly empty one. That's important if you have multiple vehicles that result in one sitting for long periods.

3) While rust is a non-issue with modern tans, older vehicles and motorcycles have steel ones. An empty tank can actually rust, but keeping it full can protect it.

4) Getting very low can starve the fuel pump as fuel moves away from the pump on hills or curves. That means you can run a pump momentarily dry even when there is fuel in the tank. That is especially true of motorcycles where the fuel petcock is on the left side. Leaning right can cause the engine to sputter, which is dangerous while riding.
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Not everyone needs a gun some of us are happy that way and are actually much more safer. The laws dont stop uou owning one for the right reasons i enjoy my freedom
The last time I looked it was called The Bill Of Rights, not the Bill Of "Needs". But no matter. Jeep has got you bull$h!tted into thinking a $300.00 plastic, throw away oil pan, along with $45.00 a quart transmission fluid is, "making your life easier". So it's painfully obvious your socialist, liberal, freedom robbing government will have you eating out of their hands, by telling you that you'll be "safer" by allowing them to confiscate all of your weapons. And you buy into it hook, line, and sinker. Just like a good little socialist. Thinking your "free" and "safe" all the way. While the facts prove, in reality you are neither.

You've proven in this thread that FACT and common sense continually elude you. So here are some for you to digest.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Gun Control in Australia --- Chaos Down Under | Hacienda Publishing

Austrailia Gun Control - Big Failure

And if it's just too much for you to read about what a total and complete failure your "free" country has fed you with their freedom robbing B.S., you can watch what your fellow Australian's have to say about it instead....... WAKE UP!

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Overall, that's a good practice. Keeping a tank full or mostly full does several things:

1) It lessens the chance you'll run out. If you're in the habit of keeping the tank full, you'll always have plenty for times when you can't stop for fuel as often.

2) A full tank of gas stays fresher than an nearly empty one. That's important if you have multiple vehicles that result in one sitting for long periods.

3) While rust is a non-issue with modern tans, older vehicles and motorcycles have steel ones. An empty tank can actually rust, but keeping it full can protect it.

4) Getting very low can starve the fuel pump as fuel moves away from the pump on hills or curves. That means you can run a pump momentarily dry even when there is fuel in the tank. That is especially true of motorcycles where the fuel petcock is on the left side. Leaning right can cause the engine to sputter, which is dangerous while riding.
All of these are very good, FACTUAL points, that any driver of a car or motorcycle would be wise to heed.
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Re: Fuel Tank Level & Fuel Pump Life ?

WOW - hasn't this turned out to be a fun forum.

Just for more fun .... has anybody discussed that carrying the "extra" fuel will add more wear and tear to other components due to the extra weight ?

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