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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

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Interestingly, there are vehicles being sold now that don't even come with a spare standard. If you want one, you need to buy it as an option. An acquaintance recently discovered she didn't have a spare when AAA arrived to change her tire...her dealer never even pointed it out.
Yep just like Jim_in_PA says, there are many new cars that don't even come with a spare at all.

I just had my Acura TL in the shop this week and they gave me a brand new 2015 TLX for a loaner (Acura's new replacement for the TL). The car was pretty impressive overall, but as I do with loaners I was checking it out front to back, popped the trunk, looked under the floor and saw something that really made me chuckle. It was a very small air compressor that plugs into a 12V power port, and it has some type of temporary patch fluid that is shot into the tire along with air, so you can hopefully drive it a few miles to the nearest tire shop for a real fix.

I know part of the argument is about saving weight, but a big part of it is car companies getting cheap and providing less for more $$. If you spend $40K plus on a car you should at least get a small temp spare in my book but that's just my view.

I'm glad the JCG still has a real spare....for now.

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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

I changed my 2014 Limited's stock Michelin 18 s with stock Goodyear Fortera 20 s and the 20 fit in the spare wheel well just fine with the hatch closed. Prior to doing this swap I read many posts about the spare tire/wheel and how a full size 20inch tire and wheel won't fit in the spare tire well. Well it does fit, at least in my 2014 Limited, as you can see in the pictures and the jack fits under the wheel wrapped in some foam packaging or old towels. I didn't buy a 5th 20 inch tire and wheel but just wanted to see for myself what all the discussion was about so I put one in and took some pictures. From what I've read the smaller spare will get you home just fine but I always keep a tire plug kit and inflator with me.
The wheels and tires are from OEWheels in Sarasota, FL. I found them on eBay for $1623 delivered.
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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

I think the issue really is that people (myself included) assume when it size 'full size' that most think it's the same size as the others (and Jeep knows this) and when they find out it's not it's a downer.

I'm sure it's related to weight, space, MPG, cost, etc.

Sorry, but I still think every Jeep should have a full size spare, tow points and a hitch and they should play that up.
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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

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I changed my 2014 Limited's stock Michelin 18 s with stock Goodyear Fortera 20 s and the 20 fit in the spare wheel well just fine with the hatch closed. Prior to doing this swap I read many posts about the spare tire/wheel and how a full size 20inch tire and wheel won't fit in the spare tire well. Well it does fit, at least in my 2014 Limited, as you can see in the pictures and the jack fits under the wheel wrapped in some foam packaging or old towels. I didn't buy a 5th 20 inch tire and wheel but just wanted to see for myself what all the discussion was about so I put one in and took some pictures. From what I've read the smaller spare will get you home just fine but I always keep a tire plug kit and inflator with me.
The wheels and tires are from OEWheels in Sarasota, FL. I found them on eBay for $1623 delivered.
Thanks for posting the pics and proving that it fits.
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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

Today even full-size pickups that have lots of space under the bed and no concerns about carrying a few more pounds in back often come with a "full-size" spare tire that's the same outer diameter but not the same size. Today that term usually just means "not a donut" and they don't actually expect you to use it because most people never do (and some people who try discover that the spare is also flat because they never check it).

I've driven on a run-flat tire in a car with no spare. It was not fun. Good for safety, but they don't replace a real spare tire because the 50-mile driving range is just not that far. I was sweating by the time I got to the shop for a replacement. But I'd still take the run-flats over those weird "collapsible" spare tires some cars have....
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Re: Full size spare is not "right" size spare

I too was conned by the brochure and sale staff never again
They either supply a real full size spare or i go elsewhere next time
I have now found a full size mag wheel and full correct size spare tyre and it does fit (just)
Why jeep can't lower the spare tyre hole or raise it and mount the spare under the body i will never know
But will never buy a car again that does not have a real full size spare.
Even my wife's Hyundai Santa fe has a full size mag spare at half the price of the GC.



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I too was conned by the brochure and sale staff never again
They either supply a real full size spare or i go elsewhere next time
I have now found a full size mag wheel and full correct size spare tyre and it does fit (just)
Why jeep can't lower the spare tyre hole or raise it and mount the spare under the body i will never know
But will never buy a car again that does not have a real full size spare.
Even my wife's Hyundai Santa fe has a full size mag spare at half the price of the GC.



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Remember the Jeep is marketed as a go anywhere/adventure type vehicle, why should any of them have a donut or a half-ass full size.
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Even my wife's Hyundai Santa fe has a full size mag spare at half the price of the GC.
Hyundai is the brand that failed to tell my friend that she didn't even have a spare...a 2014.
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The oem tire and wheel is too wide for the well. There is a post somewhere showing how a member put a raised floor in to accommodate the oem set.
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I wonder why the so called designers didn't make the spare tire well deeper and a bit wider to fit the 20" wheel/tire. If you look under the back, there is plenty of room for a tire well at least 5" deeper. I bet they did it for weight reasons. These WK2's are already overweight pigs so what would an extra 25 lbs. matter?
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I changed my 2014 Limited's stock Michelin 18 s with stock Goodyear Fortera 20 s and the 20 fit in the spare wheel well just fine with the hatch closed. Prior to doing this swap I read many posts about the spare tire/wheel and how a full size 20inch tire and wheel won't fit in the spare tire well. Well it does fit, at least in my 2014 Limited, as you can see in the pictures and the jack fits under the wheel wrapped in some foam packaging or old towels. I didn't buy a 5th 20 inch tire and wheel but just wanted to see for myself what all the discussion was about so I put one in and took some pictures. From what I've read the smaller spare will get you home just fine but I always keep a tire plug kit and inflator with me.
The wheels and tires are from OEWheels in Sarasota, FL. I found them on eBay for $1623 delivered.
Thank You, everyone should be indebted for your effort.

I have a Overland on order. I have no issue if Jeep cheaped out on the 5th alloy wheel/tire, but glad they had an ounce of brains to make the spare tire wheel well large enough to hold a full 20" stock size spare.


For the record, when JTE was designing WJ, the largest bitch from ZJ owners was the stinking spare being held in the cargo area upright, so one of the first things they did was make sure they had a spare tire well large enough to hold a full size spare, so when one does fill out their satisfaction surveys, one should send them their concerns. They do listen.
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I wonder why the so called designers didn't make the spare tire well deeper and a bit wider to fit the 20" wheel/tire. If you look under the back, there is plenty of room for a tire well at least 5" deeper. I bet they did it for weight reasons. These WK2's are already overweight pigs so what would an extra 25 lbs. matter?

Look above post, 20" fortera with stock alloy fits.

Oh you really dont want the underneath spare, have that on my 00 durango.

You have to lower it with a crank. One must lube the cable mechanism all the time and it is a PITA to lower it for tire rotations and a bear to get the spare back in position when winching it up. Also most people never exercise and lube it and when the do get a flat the mechanism to crank it, is rusted and doesnt work.

Of course in the Durango they had no choice due to the design but I like the spare in the back in the well.
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I wonder why the so called designers didn't make the spare tire well deeper and a bit wider to fit the 20" wheel/tire. If you look under the back, there is plenty of room for a tire well at least 5" deeper. I bet they did it for weight reasons. These WK2's are already overweight pigs so what would an extra 25 lbs. matter?
JGCs with the 18s use the same spare. Lowering the well might also compromise the vehicle contour underneath for ground clearance and approach angle which would get the off road folks all hot and bothered, too...

But as someone pointed out, if you remove the well partitions/organization pieces, you can get an OEM 20" and Fortera in there if you want. If you're using a non-OEM tire, it might not work, however. My Nitto NT421Qs have more of a sidewall "bulge" and I doubt that would fit under the cover. I'm also one of those folks who have no desire putting money into the spare tire well since it's something that would rarely be used and isn't necessary for rotation purposes like in many years past.
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