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The CRD delays are clearly frustrating a number of forum members and, with no end in sight, leading some to consider other options. I thought it'd be helpful to share our thoughts as a group to get different perspectives on the pros/cons of each.

I imagine everyone will have different factors that matter to them, but you might think of a factor I never considered (or vis-versa). Also, I personally don't like to buy used, so that puts a negative mark in the Touareg column from the get go (price) but that might not be as big of an issue for those who are willing to buy CPO.

Here's how I see it at first blush:
- Touareg doesn't have a lot of the "nice to have" features (all the cool electronics in the GC, reclining / fold flat rear seats, heated rear seats).
- GC V6 seems a bit slow off the line and will probably have some trouble passing slower drivers going up hill on mountain roads (but has comparable mileage).
- GC V8 gives you the power and the features but with ~17mpg.

How do you guys evaluate these three options? Are there other cars you're considering outside of this set?
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:09 PM
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

I can speak from experience on Audi and VW (neither of these are my first Audi or VW either):





Why am I looking at JGC's? Well, VW of America had the bright idea to stop bringing the air suspension AND the V8 to us Yanks. It sucks. With the Overland, I can get the QL and a sexy V8. It's what I demand. Nothing else in this price range and size of car meets my needs. Oh, and Jeeps are in my family/blood.

IF, and it's not happening, but IF VW saw fit to change things up in the future and bring back the options I'd want, I'd be getting another VW.

I've had little things off and on with my VW, but no car I've ever owned (and I've owned a lot) has ever been perfect. Neither the VW nor the Audi have spent much time in the shop, and any time they were there was always under warranty.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

We have looked at the Touareg several times and in order to get rear heated seats as well as keyless start you have to have the Executive package in the Touareg which results in a $60,000 MSRP. Compare that to the JGC CRD Overland I've priced out at just over $54,000 ... And in the Jeep would have air suspension at that price and the Touareg would not. The electronics are better in the Jeep likely and you also have ventilated seats. The Jeep is slightly more spacious and the rear seats fold closer to flat than the Touareg's and add in the fact the Jeep rear seats recline significantly further. I do like the way the Touareg drives and it is rated slightly better for highway fuel economy. I also tend to trust their diesel more than something fairly new in the CRD. I just can't fathom paying more for a car I perceive has less features. Guess we'll still wait for the Jeep ... Maybe
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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I can speak from experience on Audi and VW

Why am I looking at JGC's? Well, VW of America had the bright idea to stop bringing the air suspension AND the V8 to us Yanks. It sucks. With the Overland, I can get the QL and a sexy V8. It's what I demand. Nothing else in this price range and size of car meets my needs. Oh, and Jeeps are in my family/blood.

IF, and it's not happening, but IF VW saw fit to change things up in the future and bring back the options I'd want, I'd be getting another VW.

I've had little things off and on with my VW, but no car I've ever owned (and I've owned a lot) has ever been perfect. Neither the VW nor the Audi have spent much time in the shop, and any time they were there was always under warranty.
Thanks Gunnit. That's good perspective. I think Audi makes the most beautiful cars on the market, hands down, and it's nice to hear more and more positive reviews on their quality.

Aside from quality concerns (which might not be that big of a concern anymore) price/value/purpose is also a factor for me. With this car purchase, I was trying to move to a less expensive car (originally targeting mid 30's), now I'm up to ~$45k and it's tough to convince myself to go up to $60k on a car I want to take camping. I'll take an S5 to drive around town, but would probably hold off on the Qs. Same reason I'm not considering an X5.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

So, I do have a Touareg with air suspension and ventilated seats. Great drive, only minor issues when new.
The GC wasn´t an alternative as long as it had only the 5 speed tranny and the no stop an go able cruise control.
However, the 2014 GC is identically or better equipped as the touareg, but here in germany about 25 grand less than a comparable equipped touareg, so i´m considering a GC as next car.
(all compared for v6 TDI)
...the only thing the GC is lacking is a V8 diesel with about 340hp

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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Love me some TDI Touaregs. Too bad about air suspension, 4xMotion, surround-view cameras, multiple TDI options, especially the V8, etc. Not for us 'merkuns.

If you need to get a diesel, I'd go with the Touareg. Resale is amazing. In fact, try to find a 2011 TDI on AutoTrader. They're non-existent and they don't last. A dealer in Seattle had 2 Execs on their lot and they were gone over a weekend.

True, you need to step up to the Executive model to get the options that you want, but resale is a big motivator.

TDI owner retention is quite high. Everyone that I know with a TDI has replaced it with another. Interesting.

The next step up from the Jeep is its sister, the Mercedes ML 350/550 with On and Off Road package, $3500. Not an option on BlueTEC, oddly.



Bang for buck/features, though, the 2014 Overland V8 is hard to beat.

Maybe lease one until they get the CRDs sorted out.

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Old 04-05-2013, 04:40 PM
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Speaking to the quality surveys, its all relative ...

One of our previous cars was a VW Jetta, purchased new and owned for 10 years and a little over 100k miles. In all that time, not a single major issue. At about the 8 year mark, some of the electrics (door lock modules, trunk servo) started to go and I replaced them myself, had a wheel bearing go at 80k, otherwise any other repair was either a recall or covered under warranty, an there was not much.

Replaced that one with a Sportwagen TDI. This car has been good, trip to the dealer for the fuel rail recall, and had a programming issue with the radio that took a while to "catch in the act", otherwise just routine service and also got a bluetooth module upgrade for free.

One thing to consider with VW is they really do stand behind their product. Just this week we got a warranty extension on something called an "exhaust flap", assuming this is part of the EGR or maybe DPF system, to cover that out to 10 years, 120k miles. Nice if I need it I guess...

I am still considering the Toureg, but the only thing I don't like is the jelleybean look of the thing. And it is a little pricey, but the TDI drives really nice and gets up and moves effortlessly, and I know they will stand behind the product with a dealer network that can support it. It's a tough call.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:39 PM
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

The dealer I'm working with is letting me take out a Jeep V6 Overland for all of Saturday to do Costco runs and daily chores to see what I think of it.

The Ford dealer is letting me do the same thing with the Explorer Sport on Sunday.

I figure this will give me a better idea of if I can live with the Ford interior versus the Jeep Overland interior.

I'll have to see what I can find for a VW TDI Executive around here... I have yet to test one out.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

I owned two Touaregs. Both loaded V8 with air springs. The 2013 Summit is very close to my 05. The later Touaregs lack features that I got with my Summit. VW has so many issues, transmissions, drive shaft, leaking valve covers, tires . The Diesel is nice but you need a maintenance contract and a plan to sell a week before it ends. I did not and I spent a lot fixing it.
Maintenance is very high. My ownership over 95k miles was over $15,000.
Don't think this was high. If you get into a forum for them you will get a good idea of the issues.
Are the new ones better? I question VW as the issues did not get addressed with the Valvebody on the 6speeds, or the driveshaft center bearing. Both are now 60 to 90k replacements.
VW does engineer a good SUV. Mine looked almost new after 8 years. I wanted to keep forever. I found it cheaper to buy a new GC vs the repair costs and maintenance of keeping it.
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I figure this will give me a better idea of if I can live with the Ford interior versus the Jeep Overland interior.
I'd be more concerned with Ford SYNC than the interior. That is the absolute, most frustrating system I've ever used. Seriously.
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I'd be more concerned with Ford SYNC than the interior. That is the absolute, most frustrating system I've ever used. Seriously.
It's amazing that this poorly designed POS system ever got to market. The Overland interior puts the Explorer's to shame.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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I'd be more concerned with Ford SYNC than the interior. That is the absolute, most frustrating system I've ever used. Seriously.
My wife has a 2013 edge limited with sync and it has been flawless. We both love an feel its leaps and bounds better than most anything else we've played around with. We have mastered the voice commands which is 99% of user complaints.

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