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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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Check out this Motor Trend video comparing diesel versions of 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2013 VW Touareg: Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel and Volkswagen Touareg TDI Go Head 2 Head - WOT on Motor Trend
Loved the video, but I am worried about how the new Jeep's are holding up. Watch closely and you can see the Jeep disintegrating throughout the video. The front bumper looses parts and is ripped off on the sides @ 27secs, 44secs, 1:30. Granted most people would not go to those lengths, but it isn't that extreme.

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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

People comment that Jeep has QL - sure, I rodered mine with it - but at some point the TREG also came with it and came with the V10 TDI that had more torque than what's needed to move the Universe. Or at least a B-747. That being said, the TREG remains a nimbler, smaller car which i would have bought right away, but it just isn't priced right. A TREG with V6 and Navi has an MSRP of more than I end up paying on a fully loaded Limited (aka the cheaper Overland) plus taxes. It ends up being a more expensive car with very little toys and creature comfort.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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Loved the video, but I am worried about how the new Jeep's are holding up. Watch closely and you can see the Jeep disintegrating throughout the video. The front bumper looses parts and is ripped off on the sides @ 27secs, 44secs, 1:30. Granted most people would not go to those lengths, but it isn't that extreme.

Really? You hit a rut at fairly high speed that is deep enough to plant the bumper in the dirt...yeah you are going to bust some plastic.

1) Aint nobody gonna hit deep ruts WFO in their personal $55K Jeep that they had to pay for. You crawl through that stuff and don't rip the truck up. There is nothing they did in that video that required the "loud peddle to the mat" type approach. They just did that to make it an interesting video and because they didn't have to pay for it when they broke it.

2) That lower bumper lip is designed to be taken off with no tools if you are going to be off-road. It suggests it in the manual.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

^^^ x2. headlong into a ditch and getting 2 feet of air under the front tires on rebound is definitely extreme. They got the Treg about 3 feet ass up doing the same thing, I'm sure that left a mark somewhere.

I sure hope they don't sell these press cars when their done with them...
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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Really? You hit a rut at fairly high speed that is deep enough to plant the bumper in the dirt...yeah you are going to bust some plastic.

1) Aint nobody gonna hit deep ruts WFO in their personal $55K Jeep that they had to pay for. You crawl through that stuff and don't rip the truck up. There is nothing they did in that video that required the "loud peddle to the mat" type approach. They just did that to make it an interesting video and because they didn't have to pay for it when they broke it.

2) That lower bumper lip is designed to be taken off with no tools if you are going to be off-road. It suggests it in the manual.
I agree some of the instances are faster than what is needed, but at 1:28 that isn't all that fast especially for the bummer to become separated.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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When you want to get up mountain passes quickly, or pass a car, or merge onto the highway you're going to be applying more throttle, meaning your car will downshift...
Actually, chances are, the diesel won't downshift. It won't need to, it has the torque and it's more then likely still in it's peak powerband. This is especially true when driving around at altitude (in Mountain passes or say, living in the Rockies). For example, the naturally aspirated 6.4 in the SRT can't even break 300HP and the Torque is dropping like a rock as well. Compared to the Turbo charged CRD, which loses nothing.

I bet if you stuck a CRD and a SRT in a race, the CRD would give the STR some stiff competition.

Again, it all comes down to what you intend to do, where you live, and how you drive.

For just putt putting around tow, you don't need the V8, you'd want the V6. For mixed driving (and no towing) the V8 is fine. For any amount of towing, range driving, or anything up at altitude, the CRD would be your natural choice.

That said, they are all fine rigs.

My point in this was to compare them to *other* vehicles. Hence my write up on the Explorer Sport. It, as well, is a fine car, but has some issues that I can't look beyond (mainly the back doors not being able to open far enough in a parking lot to let people out. and the fact it bottomed out on my driveway).

The VW is probably the next closest option followed by the BMW. The Merc and Porsche... yeah... no.

I've owned a number of Mercs in my time and they are supremely nice machines, but, they are like a high maintenance girlfriend. They cost ALOT to maintain and require constant attention (My E55 is a bit of a nightmare, lots of little crap always breaking, not working).
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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Actually, chances are, the diesel won't downshift. It won't need to, it has the torque and it's more then likely still in it's peak powerband. This is especially true when driving around at altitude (in Mountain passes or say, living in the Rockies). For example, the naturally aspirated 6.4 in the SRT can't even break 300HP and the Torque is dropping like a rock as well. Compared to the Turbo charged CRD, which loses nothing.

I bet if you stuck a CRD and a SRT in a race, the CRD would give the STR some stiff competition.

Again, it all comes down to what you intend to do, where you live, and how you drive.

For just putt putting around tow, you don't need the V8, you'd want the V6. For mixed driving (and no towing) the V8 is fine. For any amount of towing, range driving, or anything up at altitude, the CRD would be your natural choice.

That said, they are all fine rigs.

My point in this was to compare them to *other* vehicles. Hence my write up on the Explorer Sport. It, as well, is a fine car, but has some issues that I can't look beyond (mainly the back doors not being able to open far enough in a parking lot to let people out. and the fact it bottomed out on my driveway).

The VW is probably the next closest option followed by the BMW. The Merc and Porsche... yeah... no.

I've owned a number of Mercs in my time and they are supremely nice machines, but, they are like a high maintenance girlfriend. They cost ALOT to maintain and require constant attention (My E55 is a bit of a nightmare, lots of little crap always breaking, not working).
Well said.

I live in Denver and frequent the mountains, so maybe I have some bias towards the CRD because of the altitude advantage.

I still agree HEMI is a fine choice for others.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

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the TREG remains a nimbler, smaller car which i would have bought right away, but it just isn't priced right. A TREG with V6 and Navi has an MSRP of more than I end up paying on a fully loaded Limited (aka the cheaper Overland) plus taxes. It ends up being a more expensive car with very little toys and creature comfort.
Exactly. They should add bring over the ROW air/lockers/low-range/surround cameras/park aid, etc. to the NA T3 and move it upmarket to compete with the Land Rovers. It just can't compete in the crossover arena, price-wise, nor compare to the GC's current feature-set.

Adding to that is the fact that a JGC priced at $50K can be had for $45K mere weeks after it's release makes it impossible to compete price-wise. Incentives are on the way, too.

The greatest benefit for the T3 TDI is the resale value and exclusivity.

Seriously, you can buy a loaded '14 Summit at $50K+ and park it next to a $28K Laredo, most people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference. It's not exclusive enough.

I'd like to see the Cherokee fill the lower price points and move the GC Summit slightly upmarket to be the American Range Rover. Maybe it becomes the rumored Grand Wagoneer. Let the other GCs compete sub-$40s.
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Actually, chances are, the diesel won't downshift. It won't need to, it has the torque and it's more then likely still in it's peak powerband. This is especially true when driving around at altitude (in Mountain passes or say, living in the Rockies). For example, the naturally aspirated 6.4 in the SRT can't even break 300HP and the Torque is dropping like a rock as well. Compared to the Turbo charged CRD, which loses nothing.

I bet if you stuck a CRD and a SRT in a race, the CRD would give the STR some stiff competition.

Again, it all comes down to what you intend to do, where you live, and how you drive.

For just putt putting around tow, you don't need the V8, you'd want the V6. For mixed driving (and no towing) the V8 is fine. For any amount of towing, range driving, or anything up at altitude, the CRD would be your natural choice.

That said, they are all fine rigs.

My point in this was to compare them to *other* vehicles. Hence my write up on the Explorer Sport. It, as well, is a fine car, but has some issues that I can't look beyond (mainly the back doors not being able to open far enough in a parking lot to let people out. and the fact it bottomed out on my driveway).

The VW is probably the next closest option followed by the BMW. The Merc and Porsche... yeah... no.

I've owned a number of Mercs in my time and they are supremely nice machines, but, they are like a high maintenance girlfriend. They cost ALOT to maintain and require constant attention (My E55 is a bit of a nightmare, lots of little crap always breaking, not working).
Well said, i've owned a 2012 crd since june so i definitely know what i am talking about, it's torque lets the transmission shift less and it is in its powerband 90% of the time.
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You woulnd't even have your pretty Summit if it wasn't for the Laredo. They're all Grand Cherokees. The brand's not good enough for you? Then get a VW. Not a luxury vehicle either by the way, just way overpriced for what you get.
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You woulnd't even have your pretty Summit if it wasn't for the Laredo.
Very true. I agree.
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I like that green that they offer on the l'il Cherokee, kinda wish they would offer that color as a grand Cherokee CRD exclusive.
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