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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

I have put 28k miles on my 2011 Touareg TDI. Zero issues so far, not even a squeak or rattle.

I had been considering a 2014 wk2 crd. I have decided to keep the treg. It is by far the best vehicle I have owned.

I do wish VW would offer 4xmotion as an option in NA.

Bottom line is I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another treg. BTW the 2011+ treg comes with a 10 year 100k power train warranty. For those interested I posted a 1 year 15k mile review on clubtouareg about a year ago. http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f6...iew-73742.html
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

All things being equal, the CRD would be the clear choice but they aren't.
1) $4500 premium over the V-6 (not counting cost of Limited over Laredo)
2) Locally diesel is about 10% more than 89 and 20% more than 87
3) Diesel package weighs 454 lbs more than a V6

One of the things that has always amazed me is how the same basic car can have differet configurations that change the curb weight from 4545 lbs to 5393 lbs. How any comparison can be made of such radical differences is beyond me.

Personally at 4475 lbs, the V6 and 5speed in my '12 are just fine but then I just took the RV out camping and the 115hp TD in my 6300 lb RV stays with traffic and cruises easily at 60-70 (driver limited) in 5th. Of course my other toy can exceed that in second.

So it is really a matter of what you want to do with it but while the diesel is clearly more efficient/capable all around than any other engine, the TCO (price, fuel, and weight) is not so pretty.

And just to be contrary, if I were to trade on a '14, I suspect it would be a Pentastar Cherokee in Mango Tango with 9speed.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Speaking from experience with my 2008 WK, I recouped the cost of the CRD over the hemi in about 50,000 - 60,000 miles in fuel savings.

As for mountain passes, the CRD doesn't even drop out of 5th gear climbing a long 6% grade where our Durango with the 5.9 liter (not a hemi, but close enough for comparison) would always be in 4th gear or maybe even third at high altitudes when a normally aspirated engine begins to lose performance at the lower air pressure.

It also tows much better than the Durango since torque is what you need to get a heavy load moving.

I usually drive the speed limit so I don't end up doing a lot of passing, but it's no problem to speed up from 55-65 or 65-75 quickly without having to downshift. That's because they produce much more torque at low RPMs than the Hemi.

As for noise, I don't even hear any diesel clatter unless I'm idling. It still has a nice exhaust growl. Even when I've tried, I can't get less than 18 MPG whereas the Hemi's mileage drops like a rock if you like to press hard on the go pedal.



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Personally, I fail to see why someone is buying the CRD. You're paying more for the privilege of range, and no other benefits. It won't save you money, it won't tow any better than the V8, it won't drive any better than the V8, and the fuel costs more and it will require you to fill a piss tank. And at the end of the day, it's not going to make the nice sounds of the V8 - in fact it sounds pretty damn unpleasant.

When you want to get up mountain passes quickly, or pass a car, or merge onto the highway you're going to be applying more throttle, meaning your car will downshift and will be in the upper ends of the powerband - where gasoline powered engines excel and diesels do not. I suspect you'll see rather unimpressive performance from a roll in the CRD - meaning that if you're intending to have that power for passing, you really want the V8.

Unless you're used to driving something like the rental Chevy Cruze I had a few months ago, where before you begin passing you have to say a prayer for good luck and a stiff breeze to push you along.

The Hemi is without a doubt the engine to get if you don't care about the fuel economy. For someone who drives a low amount of miles in a year, the extra cost of fuel is negligible. If you drive around 10k miles a year, the CRD will save you ~$300 a year - possibly less if you push it harder and don't manage to get EPA estimates (which lately seem to be overly optimistic on turbo vehicles - a topic for another day). Which means you'd have to own the car 7 years to pay for the extra cost of the CRD over the V8. That doesn't even factor in the extra cost of the piss tank, the fact that you're paying interest on the extra cost as opposed to incurring it as fuel expense, or the hassle of owning a unique engine in a vehicle whose dealers aren't known for their impeccable service and infallible dealer service bays.

So basically, if you're not planning to drive the vehicle 70k miles, you'd have been better off buying the Hemi and enjoying the extra power and paying for the fuel on the back end.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Bumping this thread back up to get more opinions on Touareg TDI vs. JCG EcoDiesel. I guess it's the closest diesel SUV price-wise to JGC Limited but still more money (TDI Lux package vs loaded Limited). June issue of Car and Driver gave Touareg TDI their top pick, ahead of EcoDiesel. Opposite of Motor Trend a month earlier.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Forget both of them. GM is coming out with a couple smaller duramax diesels that should be out soon...maybe sooner than the VM Notori.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

I think if the Touareg had at least one of the following I would have already jumped ship:

A) air suspension (or higher clearance)
B) back seat folded flat
C) low range

I probably could do without the low range but the first two things keep me waiting for the Jeep. Not sure how much longer I can wait.
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I think if the Touareg had at least one of the following I would have already jumped ship:

A) air suspension (or higher clearance)
B) back seat folded flat
C) low range

I probably could do without the low range but the first two things keep me waiting for the Jeep. Not sure how much longer I can wait.
Just tried to find a low mileage Toureg Diesel or ML 350 BlueTec, none to be found anywhere close to me.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Here is a new Car & Driver diesel SUV comparison: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit EcoDiesel 4X4 vs. 2013 Volkswagen Touareg TDI, 2013 Mercedes-Benz ML350 BlueTec 4MATIC, 2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel, 2013 BMW X5 xDrive35d –*Comparison Test –*Car and Driver
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

I owned two Touaregs a 04 then. 05 V8. I considered the Touareg, Ml and X5 diesel. When my Touareg needed 4 k in repairs at 95k I decided to send it down the road. The cost of ownership was crazy. I had a 7 year warranty but it ran out. I thought I had everything covered ,like a new transmission and dealer service b the book.
VW took out the features that my 13 Summit has. The Germans make good stuff but it costs a lot to maintain. VW 3 years maintenance won't cover Brake flush so you will pay for that in year two. After year three the maintenance will be expensive. warranty has Improved over my 05 but its power train like the Jeep.
The Jeep has a lifetime Warrenty for $2200 . This makes ownership easy as any failure is 100 per visit.
after I dropped the VW off my list I was close to buying. X5 D 55k for oneness with a 62 k list. I like the BMW and think its a very good SUV. seats are more comfortable than the Jeep. It lacked features vs the Jeep and my cost was 44 k with the Warrenty.
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Thanks winecity that's good info because I keep my truck for a while due to high miles. All cars are tough around 100k but I hear you on the German car repairs being more expensive.
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Forget both of them. GM is coming out with a couple smaller duramax diesels that should be out soon...maybe sooner than the VM Notori.
I do a lot off work with GM and they only have 4cyl Diesels at the moment. They are the other partner in VM Motori but have never utilized their product. There will be now small truck or SUV offering with a Diesel from GM for at least another year minimum. Only Cruze and Cadillac ATS at this point.
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Re: GC Diesel vs. V6 vs. V8 vs. Touareg TDI

Every new Touareg I test drove had a clunking in the rear suspension area when going over small bumps, e.g. manhole covers, road expansion joints, etc. Every one. For what it's worth.

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