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GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

I'm looking fairly seriously at purchasing a new GC Overland Hemi in February, when the lease on one of our vehicles is up. We live in the Chicago 'burbs and are building a cabin in SW Wisconsin. If we buy the GC, it would be the primary vehicle we'd take back and forth. Snow capability is important, since our Wisconsin property is on a hilly road with switchbacks and "oh crap" dropoffs, but being realistic, I don't see us doing serious off-roading. Possibly tooling around in fields, logging roads, etc., but nothing more.

My first question is whether the off-road package is worthwhile. The 20" wheels look nice, but it seems to me that that size may be more of a nod to fashion than anything related to function. In looking at truck tires, I see that 20" tires are extremely costly, compared to 18". I also know that large diameter wheels tend to diminish straight-line performance. So, from the perspective of those who are in the know, is the off-road package worthwhile?

A second, equally important question relates to purchase price. Some of the dealers nearby advertise Overlands with the V8 at roughly $5,000 to $6,000 off MSRP. Is this a realistic price target? Is this in line with what others have paid? I have in mind a Mineral Gray with Saddle, V8. There are currently none at the dealerships nearby, so I'd have to order through a dealer. I'd appreciate hearing any experiences others have had, specifically how much of a discount off of MSRP is realistic. If there are any large-volume dealers who sell out of state, please let me know.

Thanks in advance. I'm not absolutely positive it will be a GC for us, but I'm strongly advocating that with my beloved wife.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

I will say that the price you stated is a realistic number...that is roughly the discount I received on mine through the ZAG buying service. IF you like the 20s, you could always get dedicated snow tires for winter driving. Also, most good replacement tires I have seen are in the $160-$180 range for 265/50/20 or 275/55/20. I think Discount Tire sells the OEM Forteras for $130, so I wouldn't agree that 20" tires are extremely costly. Good luck!
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

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I will say that the price you stated is a realistic number...that is roughly the discount I received on mine through the ZAG buying service. IF you like the 20s, you could always get dedicated snow tires for winter driving. Also, most good replacement tires I have seen are in the $160-$180 range for 265/50/20 or 275/55/20. I think Discount Tire sells the OEM Forteras for $130, so I wouldn't agree that 20" tires are extremely costly. Good luck!
Thanks. I looked on Tire Rack and saw a couple options in the $300/tire range. Guess I needed to look further!

I appreciate your thoughts on the vehicle discount.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

I agree with bmrisko regarding tires. I just got my Overland two weeks ago and I looked at tires and was surprised that the 20" options are not that expensive. As far as discounts, I also went through a buying service - USAA. The sticker was roughly $46.4k, then USAA was $1k below invoice, another $1k for a regional discount and I had another $500 that was sent to me in the mail from Jeep (owned a Wrangler). Net price was roughly $38.5k and I was thrilled.

Love the Overland thus far but I have not yet dealt with snow and am moving to Rochester, NY soon.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

That's closer to an $8K discount.

The version I'm looking at is priced pretty close to yours--$46,290, as I recall.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

The ORA package seems to be a good value, gets you tow hooks and ELSD rear end for the ultimate in snow/hilly/rocky traction. The skids plates are nice insurance.

I would not recommend 20s for logging roads or roads filled with potholes. I have both 20s and 18s and will drive much more causiosly over rough surfaces when I have the 20s on.

The cost difference between quality 18 and 20 inch tires are small, although you should have a broader selection of brands with 18s.. Many go to a slightly larger 20 inch tire, like 275/55s, where there are more offerings. 20 inch wheels are typically much more money, however.

The 20s handle a lot nicer on the highway and when canyon carving, if you like to carve canyons with a 5000lb vehicle .

It is easier to have everything (but more expensive) by buying the ORA package and add 20 inch wheels and tires later.

In 2011 you got the ELSD with the overland V8, so many just purchased the base and added the ORA components later (skid plates, tow hooks, off road 18 inch wheels/tires) and saved a bundle of money.

So in summary.. and my opinion... get 18s if you want more truck ruggedness, 20s if you want more highway manners. Both are functional but are optimised for different functions. If you want the ELSD, you need to get the ORA or the Summit package where its standard equipment.

I purchased the GC more for bad weather function but I found it to be so competent on the street under any condition that I ended up selling the cage, and now drive the GC year round and to every function and as my primary transportation appliance.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

I have a new overland with the 20s and just took it on a 2k mile + road trip to Utah (3k miles total now). I went to a cabin and drove the car through about 18 inches of untracked snow and it was fantastic. I had it in snow mode and it was extremely confident. I bought a 2011 when the 2012's were already on the lot and ended up paying $7,400 under sticker.
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I have a new overland with the 20s and just took it on a 2k mile + road trip to Utah (3k miles total now). I went to a cabin and drove the car through about 18 inches of untracked snow and it was fantastic. I had it in snow mode and it was extremely confident. I bought a 2011 when the 2012's were already on the lot and ended up paying $7,400 under sticker.
that's good to hear. my biggest question with the 20's has been how it does in snow. some people say great and some people say awful - i wonder if those people all had 4WD.

i debated greatly over the 20s or the ORAII package. ultimately, i decided to go with the stock 20s and just see how it goes. but this is for a V6 so the ESLD thing wasn't an option if i ordered ORAII.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

Have had the 2012 Overland, Hemi, Summit package for about 4K miles. Absolute best option package to go with (20" + Summit option) Just returned from snow country and had the opportunity to do some off county maintained road travelling in 26" of snow. Performed flawlessly....the Select Terrain system was awesome...Best of luck with your purchase.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

Thanks, all! I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but it sounds like the 20" route would be fine for my needs. I'm an extremely wimpy guy, and the thought of driving a $40K vehicle in conditions where skid plates might actually be needed gets my stomach churning. With my current SUV--a '96 4Runner--I don't care too much about scapes, bumps and a little mud, but I am not quite so sure I would go careening down a lot of log trails in my GC, even if it is fully capable of such antics.

If the 20" wheels actually function as well or better on the road, that's of more importance to me.

I've been down the road of ultra low-profile tires with a couple of past vehicles and found them to be a royal pain in the neck (or lower) in the Midwest . . . potholes eat them like candy and, of course, none of these cars had real spares. A 50-profile 20-inch tire should be relatively capable of standing up to our winter roads.
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Re: GC Overland Hemi . . . Purchase Questions

$46,290 should be a 2012 Overland 4x4 Hemi with saddle interior. That is exactly what I got. Through USAA, and due to my region for the Chrylser rebate, I paid $39,700. There are a few areas with better rebates, but I am not that lucky. My deal was pretty good as far as I can tell. Good luck!!
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I agree with bmrisko regarding tires. I just got my Overland two weeks ago and I looked at tires and was surprised that the 20" options are not that expensive. As far as discounts, I also went through a buying service - USAA. The sticker was roughly $46.4k, then USAA was $1k below invoice, another $1k for a regional discount and I had another $500 that was sent to me in the mail from Jeep (owned a Wrangler). Net price was roughly $38.5k and I was thrilled.

Love the Overland thus far but I have not yet dealt with snow and am moving to Rochester, NY soon.
That has to be the best deal anywhere. $7900 off, wow.
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