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Re: GC vs Land Cruiser vs Range Rover

The current Land Cruiser is just too big. Toyota used to make both Jaguars and Land Rovers under license--and the older Land Cruisers were pretty much just Land Rovers with reliable drive trains and electricals.
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Toyota hasn't been the cheap brand that anyone can afford for quite some time. Thats Hyundai and kinfolk. Toyota is now the brand for people with weak hearts that cannot handle the ongoing excitement of a Buick.



The quality of Toyotas is unbelievably terrible. I had a 2014 Camry as a rental for a day because the 300C that I was supposed to get was crashed by another customer and there was nothing else, and I was astounded at the terribleness. To name a FEW problems, everything inside was plastic (cheap and terrible looking plastic at that), including the door handles, the wind noise at 70 MPH was equivalent to that experienced when skydiving, and I could not accelerate whatsoever (pedal pinned to the floor) past 78 MPH (slight uphill grade, moderate altitude because I was going from SLC to Park City). Why anyone would buy one is beyond me. There are plenty of equally cheap and better options out there. Toyota thinks that they can get away with building shit cars because of their reputation for reliability, but that reputation is becoming tarnished and other cars are becoming as or more reliable, meaning they will have NO selling point at all. Motortrend got at Toyota a little in its review of the new Highlander, where they said they were assured by Toyota that Toyota customers do not care about things like the number of gears or driving dynamics. The end of Toyota's reign (and Honda's) is coming quickly, and it can't come soon enough.
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^^^Thank you for that review!! I got on the website and built a RRS. When comparably equipped with the GC, I got roughly 78K!! But I checked virtually every option box! LOL I'm also glad to hear the RRS can get out of it's own way. I've had many Tahoes over the years, and they were 50HP and 100lb/ft of twist from being decent in acceleration, IMHO. When I need my speed fix, I just let the big Hoss in my signature loose!! Then virtually everything else seems just a little lack luster, if you will!! I'm gonna go check a RRS out for sure!
TopGear tested the V8, lap time round Silverstone was slightly quicker than a John Cooper Works Mini. Off-road capability is at least as good as a JGC but I believe the fording depth is more impressive.

In terms of interior quality, there is no comparison. The RRS is much nicer. It does have its share of weird ergonomics but the electronic shifter design is much more sensible than the Jeeps.
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TopGear tested the V8, lap time round Silverstone was slightly quicker than a John Cooper Works Mini. Off-road capability is at least as good as a JGC but I believe the fording depth is more impressive.

In terms of interior quality, there is no comparison. The RRS is much nicer. It does have its share of weird ergonomics but the electronic shifter design is much more sensible than the Jeeps.
I disagree with respect to the off-road performance. The RRS could very well be as good as the JGC off-road, but I have not seen anything that proves that. The off-road videos I have seen of the JGC show it doing much more impressive things (except for the water fording) than the ones of the RRS. See for yourself if you don't believe me.

Otherwise, I agree with you completely.
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Re: GC vs Land Cruiser vs Range Rover

For me, other than inclement weather, I don't really care too much about off roading in a GC, or RRS. There is no way on God's green Earth, I'm going wheeling on my 55k+ SUV!! LOL
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Re: GC vs Land Cruiser vs Range Rover

Potential nuisance with the RRS. It comes with this stupid economy mode, in which the car will turn off when stopped. What do you wanna bet, the default is for the eco mode to be on with initial start up. It appears you can turn off the eco mode, but jeez, I hate to have to deal with that all the time!!! Not sure if the eco mode is standard with both the V6 and the V8.
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Potential nuisance with the RRS. It comes with this stupid economy mode, in which the car will turn off when stopped. What do you wanna bet, the default is for the eco mode to be on with initial start up. It appears you can turn off the eco mode, but jeez, I hate to have to deal with that all the time!!! Not sure if the eco mode is standard with both the V6 and the V8.
The Start/Stop technology in the RRS can be turned off, and will NOT default on at startup once you turn it off. I repeat, if you turn it off, it will stay off, regardless of how many times you restart the vehicle.

Are you listening Jeep? We all hate eco mode on our Jeeps, and would love to be able to turn it off and have it stay off. I bought a V8 for the power, not the fuel economy, why is that so hard to understand?
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Re: GC vs Land Cruiser vs Range Rover

I don't trust Toyota ever since the gas pedal thing and all of the recalls they had (and yes I know every automaker has recalls) but I do not trust Toyota at all. I'll never buy one!
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I disagree with respect to the off-road performance. The RRS could very well be as good as the JGC off-road, but I have not seen anything that proves that. The off-road videos I have seen of the JGC show it doing much more impressive things (except for the water fording) than the ones of the RRS. See for yourself if you don't believe me. Otherwise, I agree with you completely.
I know that the water fording depth is better for the RRS (it's about 30 inches). The versions sold outside the US even come with a depth sonar. As for the other off-road capabilities, it appears to have everything the JGC does (low range,air suspension, terrain response etc). It add the camera system which aside from being useful for parking, could help avoid the odd rock. It's also a Land a Rover who have a largely intact reputation to maintain for off-road performance. I believe they still build the Defender which is the classic Land Rover of course.

The biggest issue with using a RRS off road is how expensive they are. Who wants to scrape their $100k car against a boulder.
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TopGear tested the V8, lap time round Silverstone was slightly quicker than a John Cooper Works Mini. Off-road capability is at least as good as a JGC but I believe the fording depth is more impressive.

In terms of interior quality, there is no comparison. The RRS is much nicer. It does have its share of weird ergonomics but the electronic shifter design is much more sensible than the Jeeps.
Really anything Top Gear say must be taken with a grain of salt
They have no idea of 4 wheel drives
If its not a super car or a RR then they don't like it
So who cares what they think
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I love my Jeep, but the Range Rover Sport's interior blows away the JGC's interior
I looked into a 2014 Range Rover Sport before deciding on the 2014 Grand Cherokee Summit Diesel. While I definitely love the RRS, the interior is great but certainly doesn't "blow away" the 2014 JGC Summit. Some interior aspect are quite flat and clinical looking. The 8.4 Uconnect on the JGC definitely beats the infotainment system in the RRS.

What really swayed me was the horrible gas mileage of the RRS series. If they shipped over a diesel version of the RRS like they have in the UK, I'd be a much harder decision.
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I know that the water fording depth is better for the RRS (it's about 30 inches). The versions sold outside the US even come with a depth sonar. As for the other off-road capabilities, it appears to have everything the JGC does (low range,air suspension, terrain response etc). It add the camera system which aside from being useful for parking, could help avoid the odd rock. It's also a Land a Rover who have a largely intact reputation to maintain for off-road performance. I believe they still build the Defender which is the classic Land Rover of course. The biggest issue with using a RRS off road is how expensive they are. Who wants to scrape their $100k car against a boulder.
You are correct that water fording depth is better. It isn't as simple as just having 4WD, air suspension, etc., the individual systems are different, and obviously some are better than others. The camera system has nothing to do with the capability, although it is a nice option.

Jeep still builds the Wrangler, which has been proven to be the best off-road vehicle. Nothing can hang with it, especially when rock-crawling.
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