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You are correct that water fording depth is better. It isn't as simple as just having 4WD, air suspension, etc., the individual systems are different, and obviously some are better than others. The camera system has nothing to do with the capability, although it is a nice option. Jeep still builds the Wrangler, which has been proven to be the best off-road vehicle. Nothing can hang with it, especially when rock-crawling.
The Wrangler is in a different class to both vehicles. The Land Rover Defender has been used by the UK armed forces for years though so I expect it can do a decent job. Very popular farm vehicle in the UK too.

Camera could be very useful on more technical terrain. Other solution is to have someone get out of the car and direct, not always convenient. However both vehicles are sufficiently competent off-road that the choice of tires would probably make a greater difference.
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The Start/Stop technology in the RRS can be turned off, and will NOT default on at startup once you turn it off. I repeat, if you turn it off, it will stay off, regardless of how many times you restart the vehicle.

Are you listening Jeep? We all hate eco mode on our Jeeps, and would love to be able to turn it off and have it stay off. I bought a V8 for the power, not the fuel economy, why is that so hard to understand?

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Even outside of the branding the vehicle just doesn't feel like $80k. It feels like a Toyota inside with imitation wood, etc. Range Rovers have a rich history and global respect, and at least they feel special.
LOL until a wheel falls off or a transmission falls out.
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The quality of Toyotas is unbelievably terrible. I had a 2014 Camry as a rental for a day because the 300C that I was supposed to get was crashed by another customer and there was nothing else, and I was astounded at the terribleness.
The cars overall are still good quality vehicles, well built and reliable. BUT, from what I call an "enjoyable quality" standpoint...they have been terrible since the mid 2000s I agree. Terrible I agree, terrible quality plastics, laughable cardboard feeling headboards. I seriously would never buy a modern Toyota, and thats coming from a longtime Toyota/Lexus fan.

Even at Lexus if you look at the lower model cars the poor interior material quality is creeping up...thats why I went from the ES to the GS this time. Interior of the GS is great, interior of the ES is terrible compared to the 2010 I had, which was a big step down from the 2003 I had before that.

There is hope though, I haven't seen one in person but supposedly interior quality of the new Highlander is very good. We'll see.

I'd buy a Honda, Ford, Chrysler, Hyundai, Kia before a Toyota nowadays anyway. Shame.

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LOL until a wheel falls off or a transmission falls out.
You can make the same argument about Jeep though. Look at the problems a lot of us have had. I know a lot of people with newer Land Rovers that have had no problems.
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LOL until a wheel falls off or a transmission falls out.
It's true that Land Rover vehicles do, not enjoy a problem free reputation but Jeep owners probably shouldn't be throwing stones from their glass houses. Jeeps do have the advantage of costing a lot less of course.
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Lol...you can look at several reports over the last couple years where RR ranked last in reliability where as Jeep was about midpack.....so yeah...we throw stones at RR. Big ones......
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It's true that Land Rover vehicles do, not enjoy a problem free reputation but Jeep owners probably shouldn't be throwing stones from their glass houses. Jells do have the advantage of costing a lot less of course.
Unfortunately, no car manufacturer enjoys a problem-free existence. Unless you follow Consumer Reports and buy a Toyota or Honda, you're simply living on the edge. LOL
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Unfortunately, no car manufacturer enjoys a problem-free existence. Unless you follow Consumer Reports and buy a Toyota or Honda, you're simply living on the edge. LOL
Toyota have issues as well
They just hide it better and flood the world with there spin and advertisement on 'Unbreakable'
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Toyota have issues as well
They just hide it better and flood the world with there spin and advertisement on 'Unbreakable'
Of course toyotas have problems. I'll never forget we had a V6 highlander and Toyota had to extend the warranty on the engine because they were gumming up. Anyone expecting to have 100% trouble-free cars their entire lives is dreaming.
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Re: GC vs Land Cruiser vs Range Rover

My previous vehicle was a Toyota Sequoia. It is a great truck. It has had no major problems other than the frame recall/replacement. I admit that was kind of a pain but Toyota took care of everything and my son now has a Sequoia with 200,000 miles, a new frame and several new parts that Toyota paid all labor costs for during replacement. Toyota put more money into replacing the frame then the truck was worth. Also, the sequoia has seen a lot of off road driving without issues. I bought the JGC because I wanted to downsize. Very happy with my GC so far and hope I have the same long term quality with this Jeep that I have had with my Toyota.
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Lol...you can look at several reports over the last couple years where RR ranked last in reliability where as Jeep was about midpack.....so yeah...we throw stones at RR. Big ones......
I assume those reports did not include the 2014 JGC which (according to Consumer Reports and many posters in this forum) has some reliability and general QC issues.
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Toyota have issues as well
They just hide it better and flood the world with there spin and advertisement on 'Unbreakable'
Having owned many Toyota/Lexus products, Ford products, GM products, and now the Jeep...I've had more trouble with the Jeep far and away than any other vehicle I've ever owned.

The difference between the Jeep and a Toyota are the little things. Switches, buttons, control panels...these things just always work in a Toyota. That has not been my experience with the Jeep where a lot of little things are always failing. Now we have a foglight out...we'll see if its the bulb...both foglight housings get moisture so I don't know. Last time I replaced a foglight or headlight bulb on a Toyota product it was 5+ years old...

Engine/transmission/the big stuff I'd say the Jeep is as reliable.
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