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And put cappuccino and wine bars in the dealerships. ... I dunno, is LR still considered british enough that Oolong tea would be more obligatory? Definitely a few dealers would need to be dropped by the road side, sorta like Porsche used to do when they still cared about customers other than as wallets.
Remember where the British get most of their tea from. It's probably more British now the Indians own it than it was when the Americans owned it. It's also designing better cars.
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I agree with a few things in the interior....but IMHO its already ahead of the RR, cayenne etc. with their multitude of confusing 1970's NASA buttons for EVERY little operation/option. I think the integration of some of the hard button functions on the RA4 was/is awesome. I don't even use the hard buttons. I just tell my RA4 what to do using voice or touchscreen. Much better than a multitude of confusing hard buttons. I would like to see the painted trim surfaces go aluminum...wood...steel...cf whatever. I agree it would be much nicer....but way more expensive. Really for the exterior....they just need to tighten up QC or add an extra QC area. Misaligned body panels they cant easily be rectified are inexcusable. The body shop also needs a qc/corrections area expanded.
I disagree, I don't think the Jeep has enough buttons. Why should I need to use a touch screen to turn on my seat heater or steering wheel heater. What's up with the fixed touch screen buttons at the bottom of the display, why not use hard buttons and display something more useful in the screen like more map. It would also help if the screen was higher resolution and the buttons they do have were of higher quality. Personally I hate voice control systems and never use them

Completely agree on the silver/gold/copper painted plastic surfaces. They have to go. Wood would be ideal, CF or metal would work but wood is much better at hiding scratches. Jeep should take a look at the Toureg and at least aim for that.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:48 AM
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First of all skip the hard sell. No premium dealer I have visited has asked me what it would take for me to buy a car today.
It's funny you say that, because the first LR dealership I visited asked me exactly that. They were extremely annoying and we're trying to mark up the standard models $15,000 and the Autobiography models $35,000. I said if they gave me $5k under sticker, I would buy. The repulsive looks on their faces were hilarious, and I walked out. I went to a different dealer that is listing their vehicles at sticker, and negotiated them down to $5k under sticker for an ordered vehicle without much trouble. Everybody there was very nice and not at all pushy. That is the type of experience the Jeep dealers need to give off if they want to attract higher-end customers.

Now I just need to decide if I want a RRS or a JGC SRT.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:08 AM
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quick question GCOverland....whats a comparatively optioned RRS to a loaded 14 SRT going for? The Louisville, KY dealer had CRAZY asking prices for theirs. Just curious because I just don't see the value in the RRS. I curiously optioned one to my liking on their build site and got way over $100k
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quick question GCOverland....whats a comparatively optioned RRS to a loaded 14 SRT going for? The Louisville, KY dealer had CRAZY asking prices for theirs. Just curious because I just don't see the value in the RRS. I curiously optioned one to my liking on their build site and got way over $100k
I believe the Summit, with everything, including the 3.0 is around 57K. I still cannot believe what comes on the loaded GC. Rear cross path detection, blind spot monitoring, auto leveling HIDs, Park assist, adaptive cruise control with braking, and the list just keeps on going. It's really hard to imagine wanting or needing anything else.

You're correct, if you option up the RRS, you'll scare 100K to death. My approach, if I wanted a RRS, would possibly be to find one a year old, and let someone else take the hit.

Remember, wealth along with most everything else, is relative. Many people can stroke a 100K check, head off to the country club, and never miss a beat.
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Just to nose it and wave my ignorance flag...but why is the conversation always about the RR, but the LR4 is never mentioned?
Maybe because the LR4 can be had for the upper end of the GC price range?
.... but it is a tad slower, although just as capable off road.

Face it, the GC is a nice SUV and a great bargain for the money.
The V6 has OK power, the Hemi is really nice for mountains, cruising, etc.

The current Hemi with the 8 speed has roughly similar performance to a stock 1966 426 Dodge Charger, a tick slower to 60, but IIRC just a tad faster in the quarter.

But times have changed and as of today, it will get its doors blown off by pretty much every econobox. Some folks will care, others will challenge the little S-boxen to trying that on an actual trail, others will simply enjoy.
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The current Hemi with the 8 speed has roughly similar performance to a stock 1966 426 Dodge Charger, a tick slower to 60, but IIRC just a tad faster in the quarter.

But times have changed and as of today, it will get its doors blown off by pretty much every econobox. Some folks will care, others will challenge the little S-boxen to trying that on an actual trail, others will simply enjoy.

It amuses me seeing several refer to how fast, or slow, a GC is, or if will win a drag race. I'm all about power too, no doubt, but I've just never seen a regular GC as a "drag racer".

However, my father's SRT8 GC, well, a whole different animal!
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I just took a quick look at the LR on the Toyota site...not very pretty to my eyes...and expensive.
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quick question GCOverland....whats a comparatively optioned RRS to a loaded 14 SRT going for? The Louisville, KY dealer had CRAZY asking prices for theirs. Just curious because I just don't see the value in the RRS. I curiously optioned one to my liking on their build site and got way over $100k
Comparable to the 2014 JGC Summit with the HEMI, the RRS is $17K more. Comparable to the 2014 JGC SRT with every option, the RRS is $16K more. It is easy to get carried away with the RRS and check every option (not all of the RRS options are available on the JGC), which means that $100,000 can be broken. However, you can't break $100,000 unless you go to the Autobiography trim, which gets you some additional customization and some unique touches, but not any more content. It also has a production run of just a few hundred units each year. The only reason you would get the Autobiography trim over the Supercharged is for the extra customization and exclusivity (I would get it because it has much better resale value than the Supercharged model).

I hear you on the asking prices. The first dealer I went to was marking up the SEs and HSEs $15K, the Supercharged $25K, and the Autobiography models $35K, which is absolutely absurd. They laughed in my face when I asked for $5K under sticker, so I left and went to a different dealer. The other dealer was not marking up the vehicles at all, and I negotiated them down to $5K under sticker in a few minutes for a factory order. I know that isn't as good as the SRTs (a dealer near me is listing them for $9K under sticker, meaning I could probably get $11-12K under), but it isn't too bad, especially given a lot of the dealers are marking up.

I completely agree with everyone who says the JGC SRT (or JGC in general) is a better value. You get a lot of content for a price that significantly undercuts the competition. However, the RRS allows for way more customization (19 exterior colors, 4 roof colors, 5 different wheels, 23 interior colors, 3 different headliners, 4 different finishers, more options) compared to the JGC, especially the SRT. And it should, given it costs more. The interior is also nicer and uses nicer quality materials (nothing against the JGC's interior, the RRS's is almost in Bently or RR territory). Whether or not it is worth that extra $15K+ is up to the buyer and what they are comfortable spending.

A RRS with every single option (including upgraded wheels and a premium color) is $108,350, so you are correct, they can get well above $100K, however, almost nobody will option their RRS like that.
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I just took a quick look at the LR on the Toyota site...not very pretty to my eyes...and expensive.
I agree, again, it looks kinda "vanilla" to me too, and it's definitely expensive.
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It amuses me seeing several refer to how fast, or slow, a GC is, or if will win a drag race. I'm all about power too, no doubt, but I've just never seen a regular GC as a "drag racer".

However, my father's SRT8 GC, well, a whole different animal!
Agree, if drag racing is your goal, buy an SRT or a John Force funny car.
If carving canyons at high speed, buy a Lotus, Porsche, etc.

If you want to get away from ALL of those for a relaxing time every now and then, buy the GC with OR-II
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I just took a quick look at the LR on the Toyota site...not very pretty to my eyes...and expensive.
And for added value, it is quite large and heavy.
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