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Old 12-03-2015, 08:38 PM
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Enthusiasts might like that, Da Jeeper, but 99% of the folks who buy the 1000 or so a day of JGCs produced wouldn't buy it.

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Old 12-03-2015, 10:52 PM
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Another wish... I would like to see some influence from this run of the GC in the next gen, the "my19"
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:43 AM
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Give me a wk3 with today's styling but good old Detroit muscle. Trash all the canbus bull dung, toss in a solid front axle and bring jeep back to its roots. Make it repairable by anyone with simple garage tools. Man I loved the 70's
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Enthusiasts might like that, Da Jeeper, but 99% of the folks who buy the 1000 or so a day of JGCs produced wouldn't buy it.
Yeah, the days of solid front axles in SUVs are pretty well over. Heck, even the rears are disappearing.

People want a settled ride on the road, so an independent suspension is where things are going. Most GC customers never go further off road than a grass parking lot at the local antiques fair.

As far as a vehicle you can work on yourself, good luck with that. In another decade, I would predict the number of user-serviceable parts on most vehicles will be under 5%. Either the parts will have an electronic component that requires a special programming tool or there will be an error code that will not be able to be reset by the user - and the car makers will claim DMCA status to prevent workarounds to enable that function.

The only good news is, with the whole VW emissions cheating scandal, those software copyright claims might be reviewed a bit more closely without that automatic stamp they might have gotten in the past.

More likely, though, like any scandal, it will go away and a few choice payments to congress critters by lobbyists will ensure it will eventually be a crime for anyone other than the manufacturer to access or make changes to the software. The general public won't care since a lot of people take their cars back to the dealer for service, anyway.

Who cares what us weekend grease monkeys want, anyway?

If you want to really see where things are going, just check out this thread on changing the transmission oil:

Trans oil change?

The procedure requires around $500 in parts alone (assuming you use the OEM stuff) and it's really, really complicated. The old drain and fill days with around $50 worth of materials are gone.

It's only a matter of time until we see "long life" engine oils designed to last 50K and require a similar level of complication and expense to change.

I wouldn't be surprised to have them start integrating the ABS and traction control electronics into the brake rotors and pads just to make the average person think twice about saving money changing them himself. The re-calibration routine will likely require a dealer shop computer.

You'll likely see special sealed batteries that require a licensed technician to handle and he'll have to take half the floor apart to replace it.

The manufacturers want this to be a hassle for us. Service is where the real money is. Cars are increasingly becoming like ink jet printers where it costs more to keep them running than buying a new one.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:26 AM
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^sad part your probably right. Worst part of the whole thing. What the heck are lower income people gonna drive. Won't be any beaters around they could afford to keep running.
That and in the year 2030, your still gonna see car shows with 70's cars but nothing from 2015ish
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^sad part your probably right. Worst part of the whole thing. What the heck are lower income people gonna drive. Won't be any beaters around they could afford to keep running.
That and in the year 2030, your still gonna see car shows with 70's cars but nothing from 2015ish
Well, for what it's worth, I bought my first new car (I had a used one previously) in 1993 for around $12,000.

There are several economy models out there that can be had for around $15,000. So, in over 20 years, the price of an econobox has only gone up by around $3000.

The GC is no Mercedes, but it's not an econobox.
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NetworkTV, I could be mistaken, but I believe that the DCMA thing was recently litigated and the automakers and tractor makers didn't prevail. There was something in my news feed...

Of course, that doesn't mean they will not try again...and again...and gain...and...
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Of course, that doesn't mean they will not try again...and again...and gain...and...
I believe the auto makers may have lost, but I think farm equipment hasn't yet been decided.

The further problem is, there are further copyright issues coming in the form of more SOPA and PIPA-style legislation potentially being included in the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal some in the government seem hot to trot to pass. This could affect not only software copyrights and patents, but sharing of information, too. Imagine not even being able discuss workarounds at all, much less doing them.

Further, the copyright office revisits these things every few years. That means the auto makers could gear up with a bunch of bribes to make sure the the copyright office gets thumped on by congress:

"We'd hate to think some sort of bad event might befall your department in the way of your being defunded if you don't change your thinking on copyright..."

The fact is, it's already illegal to:

- Make use of someone else's software code for distribution or profit
- Exceed the speed limit (with harsh penalties for going really fast)
- Violate EPA, DOT and NHTSA standards.
- Enter a computer system that is not your own without permission from the owner.

Therefore, everything the car makers are worried about is already covered under existing law.

Further, they claim this will hurt innovation and advancement of technology.

In reality, what hurts innovation and technology are software patents that are so overly broad, creating a competing product will almost always cause you to violate those patents.
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I wish the air suspension was adaptive. At least make it a Summit only feature.
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What do you mean relative to "adaptive" referencing QL over and above current function? It's already "adaptive" in the sense that it moves to Aero mode at highway speeds and folks can set it to lower for parking automagically.
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What do you mean relative to "adaptive" referencing QL over and above current function? It's already "adaptive" in the sense that it moves to Aero mode at highway speeds and folks can set it to lower for parking automagically.

That's not adaptive. Adaptive would be to where it's constantly scanning the road and adjusting the suspension for a better ride. Something similar to what the SRT has.
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I would like to see an auto closing sunroof. The aftermarket one I had in my 1998 Grand Cherokee had a setting to auto close the glass when the car was turned off. It really was handy.
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That's not adaptive. Adaptive would be to where it's constantly scanning the road and adjusting the suspension for a better ride. Something similar to what the SRT has.
Just buy an SRT already!
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