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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

Would love to get a Wrangler but for my driving the benefits that GCOverland outlined are exactly why I went with the Summit.
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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

I wanted a JKU Rubicon 4-door, before I looked into the Grand Cherokee. I ended up with a 2012 Altitude.

For me, I would've gotten the Rubicon which actually costs more than an Altitude. Not only that, but I personally think that the JKU's only look good with a minimum of the Rubicon trim (wheels, etc.) - but really I would have wanted to lift it and put on bigger wheels. That would have cost an extra $3-5k, on top of already having the top model Rubicon (for the air lockers and Dana44's). You can lift other JK models, but from what I read you probably would have to re-gear them if you wanted to add larger tires. The Dana44's on the JKU are at the upper limit as far as being "drivable" when adding larger tires without re-gearing.

Not only that, but Wrangler owners that put on bigger wheels/lift kits are known to experience the "death wobble", where the entire steering system shakes at a certain speed on the highway (around 65mph I think?).

Overall, the Grand Cherokee provided many more "comforts" than the JKU did, at a better price (at least for me, going with the Altitude). I have the QT-II and I can still hit some off-road trails, and truthfully... what I've done in my Altitude is probably about as far as I want to take my daily driver. Yes, it would be cool to have a JKU Rubicon and rip up some harder trails here in CO... but you still might scratch/scrape/smash your brand new vehicle.

Sometimes I still want a JKU, especially when I see one with a nice stance (tires/lift). Then I see another "stock" one with the stock wheels and I think... man that looks sort of weird (to me)
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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

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I wanted a JKU Rubicon 4-door, before I looked into the Grand Cherokee. I ended up with a 2012 Altitude.

For me, I would've gotten the Rubicon which actually costs more than an Altitude. Not only that, but I personally think that the JKU's only look good with a minimum of the Rubicon trim (wheels, etc.) - but really I would have wanted to lift it and put on bigger wheels. That would have cost an extra $3-5k, on top of already having the top model Rubicon (for the air lockers and Dana44's). You can lift other JK models, but from what I read you probably would have to re-gear them if you wanted to add larger tires. The Dana44's on the JKU are at the upper limit as far as being "drivable" when adding larger tires without re-gearing.

Not only that, but Wrangler owners that put on bigger wheels/lift kits are known to experience the "death wobble", where the entire steering system shakes at a certain speed on the highway (around 65mph I think?).

Overall, the Grand Cherokee provided many more "comforts" than the JKU did, at a better price (at least for me, going with the Altitude). I have the QT-II and I can still hit some off-road trails, and truthfully... what I've done in my Altitude is probably about as far as I want to take my daily driver. Yes, it would be cool to have a JKU Rubicon and rip up some harder trails here in CO... but you still might scratch/scrape/smash your brand new vehicle.

Sometimes I still want a JKU, especially when I see one with a nice stance (tires/lift). Then I see another "stock" one with the stock wheels and I think... man that looks sort of weird (to me)
That's funny, your view is pretty much my take on the whole Wrangler/GC thing.

The more I think about itj if I got the Wrangler I would want to do more 'real' off-roading, but then would I be confident getting in it with my family and take a 4 hr highway trip. What if something got damaged off-roading, or a tire got ripped or something and I didn't notice and went off on my trip. The more I think about it I'm either going to get a second set of wheels probably 18" and use those when I want to go off-roading or get a pre-owned wrangler and just use locally and when off-roading.
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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

as a former AEV equipped wrangler owner turned Charger, than WK2 owner, I must chime in.


If you plan on offroading the Jeep, get a JK. I had a 2008 that I traded in when it hit 60,000 miles, it was mostly flawless. The AEV kit made the Jeep ride better on road then when it was stock.

no matter which trim you choose (X, Sahara, Rubicon etc) if you run 35's you will want at least 5.13's, if you get a rubicon you will want 5.38's. (If you go manual your gear choices will be different - 4.88 or 5.13)

For me, It was an addiction, in less than 2 years I put $12,000 of modifications into my Jeep and it was only getting worse and worse. I was like a drug addict, I needed to quit cold turkey so I traded it in. (I went through 3 different lifts, 4 sets of wheels/tires, different roofs, gears, axles, bumpers, winches etc)

The Jeep was fantastic off road and on road. Would I buy one again. Yes, but not until I am rich (which means I will likely never own another one again)
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as a former AEV equipped wrangler owner turned Charger, than WK2 owner, I must chime in.


If you plan on offroading the Jeep, get a JK. I had a 2008 that I traded in when it hit 60,000 miles, it was mostly flawless. The AEV kit made the Jeep ride better on road then when it was stock.

no matter which trim you choose (X, Sahara, Rubicon etc) if you run 35's you will want at least 5.13's, if you get a rubicon you will want 5.38's. (If you go manual your gear choices will be different - 4.88 or 5.13)

For me, It was an addiction, in less than 2 years I put $12,000 of modifications into my Jeep and it was only getting worse and worse. I was like a drug addict, I needed to quit cold turkey so I traded it in. (I went through 3 different lifts, 4 sets of wheels/tires, different roofs, gears, axles, bumpers, winches etc)

The Jeep was fantastic off road and on road. Would I buy one again. Yes, but not until I am rich (which means I will likely never own another one again)
That's pretty funny! I have to ask what mods did you do to your GC?
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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

its stock, but it is only 1 week old today.

as of now there are no plans...

oh, Im going to add tow hooks

And skid plates.. And I like the look of the MOPAR enhanced rock rails. Im rubbing my "3 years jeep mod clean" chip as I type.


(Sorry if I offended anybody thats fighting addiction)
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Re: Going from WK2 to Wrangler Unlimited

I'm new, but I just went from a JKU to the WK2 Overland this week.

The jeep is my work vehicle where I must have off road capability and 4WD to get the places I have to go for work, but I don't "off-road for pleasure".

The JKU was leathered up and loaded and had stock size expensive tires (Michelin LTX) and stock suspension (new expensive shocks at 60,000). 3 years and 93,000 miles, I loved my JKU until it developed the death wobble on stock size wheels and tires at about 88,000 miles that continued to get worse. Dealer examined the suspension, charged me for diagnosis and gave the usual "Cannot reproduce customer concerns" explanation.

I got a 6 month contract on Long Island and my last 17 mile trip on the Belt Parkway had me fearing for my life due to repeated wobble. Drove 750 miles home for the weekend white knuckled. I traded the next day on a 2014 Overland specifically for the air suspension.

The Wrangler is a great and capable vehicle, but its also outdated and raw. Sometimes outdated and raw is fun. Sometimes its not fun.
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I'm new, but I just went from a JKU to the WK2 Overland this week. The jeep is my work vehicle where I must have off road capability and 4WD to get the places I have to go for work, but I don't "off-road for pleasure". The JKU was leathered up and loaded and had stock size expensive tires (Michelin LTX) and stock suspension (new expensive shocks at 60,000). 3 years and 93,000 miles, I loved my JKU until it developed the death wobble on stock size wheels and tires at about 88,000 miles that continued to get worse. Dealer examined the suspension, charged me for diagnosis and gave the usual "Cannot reproduce customer concerns" explanation. I got a 6 month contract on Long Island and my last 17 mile trip on the Belt Parkway had me fearing for my life due to repeated wobble. Drove 750 miles home for the weekend white knuckled. I traded the next day on a 2014 Overland specifically for the air suspension. The Wrangler is a great and capable vehicle, but its also outdated and raw. Sometimes outdated and raw is fun. Sometimes its not fun.
I agree with you completely. And your take that a JK is a money pit, not because it fails, but because it's like having your own full size Lego toy that you can do what you want with it when it comes to aftermarket customizations. My Rubicon had the same array of stuff and while I traded it at the time for a sports car, when coming back to a capable and daily 4x4, I knew that the WK2 is a better choice. Overall much better vehicle for the price, better ride and road handling manners. It's new technology and suspension is great and for anything that I may encounter weather or road/trail wise this will easily conquer. I love the WK2 and would never trade it for a JKU, as much as I love them.
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3 years and 93,000 miles, I loved my JKU until it developed the death wobble on stock size wheels and tires at about 88,000 miles that continued to get worse. Dealer examined the suspension, charged me for diagnosis and gave the usual "Cannot reproduce customer concerns" explanation.

I got a 6 month contract on Long Island and my last 17 mile trip on the Belt Parkway had me fearing for my life due to repeated wobble. Drove 750 miles home for the weekend white knuckled..
a real shop could have found and fixed your death wobble.

AND dont you just love the potholed, crazy, twisted, windy, narrow laned belt parkway?? I drive it every few months and it always gets my adrenaline going. You havent really driven until you drove the belt.

glad your happy with the WK2
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a real shop could have found and fixed your death wobble.
Yes, they could have... And I would have paid dearly for it as opposed to using the extended warranty I purchased. Then I would have had to find a "real shop" which wasn't too promising after reading the reviews of the local shops in the surrounding metropolitan areas on the different JK forums and Googling fixes.

I am also rather mechanically inclined, so I pulled the 14mm bolts to check for wallowing and wear of the bushings. I pulled the steering damper to confirm it was still good and checked with a spring scale. I jacked it up and checked the ball joints and looked for play in steering movement. Didn't see much need to explain all of that in the first post.

So after expecting to replace front and rear track bars, upper and lower control arm bushings, use 9/16" bolts, drilling for camber adjustment, new ball joints, new rotors, a new lifetime alignment (already bought it once), a new road force balance (already had lifetime dynamic balance), and leave it with someone for an undetermined period of time (it was my work vehicle); it was a lot easier to trade it in. And I guess, more importantly, I didn't feel safe in it anymore. I might still have another one day. I haven't been without a Jeep of some sort in 21 years.

I drove it 3 years for 93000 miles and it depreciated a whopping $9000 on trade in. Then I bought the Overland for almost 20% off sticker on the last day of the month. I'm happy so far, I guess the real test will be my next trip to Brooklyn or Staten Island (I hope the irony isn't lost in that statement).
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