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Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.

I purchased my 2014 Summit V8 new back in early summer and its been great. The V8 for me was a no brainer because I had a 2012 Overland V6 before that and the older 5spd tranny just ruined that car and left a bad taste in my mouth for the V6. So ever since I have been curious about the V6 with the new 8spd. Then the High Altitude comes out and I love the look. Just for the heck of it I called one of my local dealers today asking if they do extended test drives. Sure as shit he says yes and lets me take it over night. Awesome!
So here are my opinions between the Summit V8 and High Altitude V6. I was also curious to see first hand any changes between '14 and '15, and if infact there is a difference between the Summit air suspension and the "sport tuned" High Altitude air suspension.

So first things first. As the sales guy is handing over the keys to the brand new HA, the friggin thing literally is going up and down. For whatever reason the air suspension is going nuts. I was on break at work and didn't have time so I don't say anything and just get in and go. Seems fine during the drive. Get back to work and as I'm sitting in the Jeep idling in park the suspension is once again going crazy. Going up, then down, the screen on the cluster does not read correctly to what setting the Jeep is actually in. For example the dash says entry/exit, but its actually in normal height or maybe even OR1. No error codes on the dash as of now, however it did state that it needed to cool once. So now I'm thinking either there is a real problem with it, or the dealer did not "prep" the suspension if thats even a thing. A long while back I thought I remember reading here that the dealer must remove or set something after it comes off the truck. I looked under the car at all the sensors and suspension at each wheel and nothing looks out of the ordinary. Any ideas? There is also what sounds to be something large moving inside the dash or under the hood during turns lol. Sounds literally like a baseball rolling back and forth on top of the dash when turning. The driver interior door handle is hard to pull when getting out of the vehicle. Its like something is stuck when opening it for the first time after it being locked. I know this may be just a single case, but this 2015 for sure has some issues that my 2014 never had.

Ok moving on.
The good: The most noticeable thing to me when driving the HA is the STEERING!!! HUGE difference. Its extremely light and nimble feeling. So much so that it makes it feel like its atleast a 1,000lbs lighter (even though its only more like 200-300lbs). So that was a huge surprise and I enjoyed that very much. I can also confirm that the suspension does infact feel a bit more firm and sporty. On certain surfaces my Summit does feel a bit floaty and heavy. Its not horrible, but a noticeable difference.
The Pentastar was also surprisingly quiet. All around it was a good driving experience and I enjoyed it. Lastly, the HA looks amazing!!

What I didn't like: During acceleration the V6 sounds very weak even though it has plenty of power. The Hemi sounds MUCH better. Accelerating from a stop is no longer music to my ears with the 6. The lack of low end torque was noticeable between the two and I felt the tranny on the V6 had to do a lot more hunting for the right gear. Sport mode was very disappointing with the V6. With the V8 it literally transforms the vehicle and somehow feels like they added about 50hp and it just puurrs. Again, sort of expected considering the HP and TQ difference.
The heated seat and steering wheel were not as effective in this 2015 HA...for whatever reason I don't know. You can notice the difference in interior quality IMO, or atleast the better leather, headliner, steering wheel etc, but I was kind of expecting that. This would be minor to some, but the leather quality on the center console really caught my attention. On the Summit it feels expensive, on the HA it felt literally like vinyl (maybe it is?).

Other things worth mentioning:
Some people mentioned screen resolution differences between the 2014 and 2015 dash screens. I noticed none whatsoever they seem identical and thats back to back driving.
The non-clicking steering wheel radio buttons on the back of the wheel are MUCH nicer on the '15. For those not familiar, everytime you change a station or the volume the 2014 buttons click loudly. That's gone for 2015 and its very nice.
The HA I'm driving does NOT have the Harmon audio. It sounds good, but I can for sure notice a difference between it and the Harmon system in my Summit. So that would be a must have as well.


So to sum it up, I like the steering and handling on the V6 HA MUCH more. My V8 Summit feels like a tank compared to it thats all I can really say. The V8 has a very noticeable power advantage and all around just sounds way better. Most noticeable difference is low end power. The Summit interior definitely feels to be a step above the HA, but we knew that going into it. So if I were in the market and had the choice between the two, it would be a tough call. The HA looks for sure win me over as far as that goes, the handling and steering of the V6 HA is so good I could possibly consider that over the power and sound of the V8.
In a perfect world I would want HA exterior and sport suspension, Summit interior, V8 engine, V6 steering, Harmon audio. This particular Jeep has me questioning the quality of current built models with the suspension issues, stuff rolling around in the dash, hard to open driver door, but I'm sure its mostly an isolated thing, but I would for sure not buy this particular one.

Sorry for the long post, but I see plenty of posts asking about different models so hope this helps those curious about all the differences between the Summit and HA and V6 and V8.

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Old 12-31-2015, 12:34 AM
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Re: Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.

Great review. I recently went from a 14' Overland v6 to a 15' HA 5.7. No regrets at all. I don't think there was any sacrifice in interiors in my case, being that I was in an overland rather than a summit.
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V6 has the electronic PS, 2015 V8 has the hydraulic. Funny you mention this but a lot of the mags mention the electronic has no feel and is twichty vs the older hydraulic units.


I guess the V6 should be better on the 2016 because of the new heads, higher compression and 15% increase in TQ across the lower RPM band, should help the low end grunt.


Did you check the mileage? To compare to the hemi?
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Re: Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.

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I purchased my 2014 Summit V8 new back in early summer and its been great. The V8 for me was a no brainer because I had a 2012 Overland V6 before that and the older 5spd tranny just ruined that car and left a bad taste in my mouth for the V6. So ever since I have been curious about the V6 with the new 8spd. Then the High Altitude comes out and I love the look. Just for the heck of it I called one of my local dealers today asking if they do extended test drives. Sure as shit he says yes and lets me take it over night. Awesome!
So here are my opinions between the Summit V8 and High Altitude V6. I was also curious to see first hand any changes between '14 and '15, and if infact there is a difference between the Summit air suspension and the "sport tuned" High Altitude air suspension.

So first things first. As the sales guy is handing over the keys to the brand new HA, the friggin thing literally is going up and down. For whatever reason the air suspension is going nuts. I was on break at work and didn't have time so I don't say anything and just get in and go. Seems fine during the drive. Get back to work and as I'm sitting in the Jeep idling in park the suspension is once again going crazy. Going up, then down, the screen on the cluster does not read correctly to what setting the Jeep is actually in. For example the dash says entry/exit, but its actually in normal height or maybe even OR1. No error codes on the dash as of now, however it did state that it needed to cool once. So now I'm thinking either there is a real problem with it, or the dealer did not "prep" the suspension if thats even a thing. A long while back I thought I remember reading here that the dealer must remove or set something after it comes off the truck. I looked under the car at all the sensors and suspension at each wheel and nothing looks out of the ordinary. Any ideas? There is also what sounds to be something large moving inside the dash or under the hood during turns lol. Sounds literally like a baseball rolling back and forth on top of the dash when turning. The driver interior door handle is hard to pull when getting out of the vehicle. Its like something is stuck when opening it for the first time after it being locked. I know this may be just a single case, but this 2015 for sure has some issues that my 2014 never had.

Ok moving on.
The good: The most noticeable thing to me when driving the HA is the STEERING!!! HUGE difference. Its extremely light and nimble feeling. So much so that it makes it feel like its atleast a 1,000lbs lighter (even though its only more like 200-300lbs). So that was a huge surprise and I enjoyed that very much. I can also confirm that the suspension does infact feel a bit more firm and sporty. On certain surfaces my Summit does feel a bit floaty and heavy. Its not horrible, but a noticeable difference.
The Pentastar was also surprisingly quiet. All around it was a good driving experience and I enjoyed it. Lastly, the HA looks amazing!!

What I didn't like: During acceleration the V6 sounds very weak even though it has plenty of power. The Hemi sounds MUCH better. Accelerating from a stop is no longer music to my ears with the 6. The lack of low end torque was noticeable between the two and I felt the tranny on the V6 had to do a lot more hunting for the right gear. Sport mode was very disappointing with the V6. With the V8 it literally transforms the vehicle and somehow feels like they added about 50hp and it just puurrs. Again, sort of expected considering the HP and TQ difference.
The heated seat and steering wheel were not as effective in this 2015 HA...for whatever reason I don't know. You can notice the difference in interior quality IMO, or atleast the better leather, headliner, steering wheel etc, but I was kind of expecting that. This would be minor to some, but the leather quality on the center console really caught my attention. On the Summit it feels expensive, on the HA it felt literally like vinyl (maybe it is?).

Other things worth mentioning:
Some people mentioned screen resolution differences between the 2014 and 2015 dash screens. I noticed none whatsoever they seem identical and thats back to back driving.
The non-clicking steering wheel radio buttons on the back of the wheel are MUCH nicer on the '15. For those not familiar, everytime you change a station or the volume the 2014 buttons click loudly. That's gone for 2015 and its very nice.
The HA I'm driving does NOT have the Harmon audio. It sounds good, but I can for sure notice a difference between it and the Harmon system in my Summit. So that would be a must have as well.


So to sum it up, I like the steering and handling on the V6 HA MUCH more. My V8 Summit feels like a tank compared to it thats all I can really say. The V8 has a very noticeable power advantage and all around just sounds way better. Most noticeable difference is low end power. The Summit interior definitely feels to be a step above the HA, but we knew that going into it. So if I were in the market and had the choice between the two, it would be a tough call. The HA looks for sure win me over as far as that goes, the handling and steering of the V6 HA is so good I could possibly consider that over the power and sound of the V8.
In a perfect world I would want HA exterior and sport suspension, Summit interior, V8 engine, V6 steering, Harmon audio. This particular Jeep has me questioning the quality of current built models with the suspension issues, stuff rolling around in the dash, hard to open driver door, but I'm sure its mostly an isolated thing, but I would for sure not buy this particular one.

Sorry for the long post, but I see plenty of posts asking about different models so hope this helps those curious about all the differences between the Summit and HA and V6 and V8.
In the entry/exit mode the front will go down a little first, then the rear goes down a bit, then the front goes down a bit again and then the rear and then back to the front. Maybe this is what you were feeling? Also the lights to the right of the suspension dial tell you what height you are in.
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Awesome review... When I purchased my Summit, I hadn't ever heard of the Altitude editions of the GC. When I started seeing them on the road and on this forum, it made me wish I had knew about them and considered before buying my Summit. I chose the Summit mainly because I liked the fenders better than the other models. The interior details also sold me. Then I saw the HAs had the same fenders. And I wonder if I could have gotten a cooler looking HA, for less $ than my Summit. Also, my Jeep does kind of feel like a tank sometimes. I also don't get really good gas mileage. (I don't try to, I only drive it in Sport Mode and Eco is off). I pretend/wish I have a v8 or an SRT
Of course I like SRTs, although I think they are too sporty, if that makes sense. And I don't think that interior could survive my girls throwing their juices and snacks all over it... The Summit seems to be made more for styling and for "mall crawling" vs being ready for off roading or a race track.
Which is good for me, since I won't be doing either of those. It seems like the HA might be a sporty version in between the Summit and SRT.
Plus I invested In an extended warranty, and Opti Coat on my Summit so I think I am going to stick with it.



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Did you check the mileage? To compare to the hemi?
Yeah I am in the process of doing an exact comparison as I get to drive the HA to work once more today. So I will be doing the exact same commute with the V8 and V6. I will report back later today.

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In the entry/exit mode the front will go down a little first, then the rear goes down a bit, then the front goes down a bit again and then the rear and then back to the front. Maybe this is what you were feeling? Also the lights to the right of the suspension dial tell you what height you are in.
Remember, I own a Quadra-lift equipped vehicle. I am not test driving one for the first time and I 100% know how the system should work. This one absolutely is not working correctly. It will never drop down to exit-entry height, and even if it did, the thing goes right back up. So imagine this...you stop your Jeep, turn it off and get out of the vehicle...and it literally constantly cycles up and down lol. Only after a while does it seem to stop, and who knows maybe thats because the compressor needs to cool. I turned auto easy/exit feature off and it STILL does it. In other words, when you turn the vehicle off the Jeep will not stop adjusting the height of the vehicle. Sometimes it goes really high, sometimes it seems to rest at normal height for a while.Right now the HA is in my garage with the battery disconnected to see if maybe it was just a computer glitch when I power it back up. If not, the dealer is already aware that they have a issue with this new vehicle.
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Re: Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.

I don't think there is an actual difference in the interiors of the Summit and HA other than the headliner.

However, I think the Summit brown interior colors look richer and more luxurious than the gray/black interior of the HA. IMHO, dark interiors components tend to blend together making them feel generic even if the materials used are luxurious where brighter interiors tend to be more pleasing to the eye as you can more clearly see the borders, stitching, and contrasts.

On another note, over the holidays I had a rental car and was given a JGC Limited. It felt nothing like my HA. The interior felt cheap and the ride/suspension felt floaty or disconnected from the road. If my first experience with the JGC had been this rental, I don't think I would have purchased my Jeep. I don't know if all Limiteds are like this or it was just this particular rental.
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It only makes sense that the 6 is more nimble and steers lighter than the 8. The lighter weight and rearward placement of the 6 gives the vehicle near perfect weight distribution.
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I don't think there is an actual difference in the interiors of the Summit and HA other than the headliner.

On another note, over the holidays I had a rental car and was given a JGC Limited. It felt nothing like my HA. The interior felt cheap and the ride/suspension felt floaty or disconnected from the road. If my first experience with the JGC had been this rental, I don't think I would have purchased my Jeep. I don't know if all Limiteds are like this or it was just this particular rental.
There are a fair amount of differences between the interiors. Leather is different, different steering wheel, headliner and pillars, wood trims, color of all the interior trim etc etc. Even though I absolutely do like the HA, I have grown to really appreciate the differences of the interior. There are a couple items that really get my attention that make the interior feel not as nice in the HA. Besides the already mentioned center console leather being waaay better on the Summit (where my arm rests all the time), the plastic pillars really take away from the quality feel that I get in the Summit. Only reason its even mentionable is because I'm coming from a Summit. To the average buyer they are fine and you wouldn't even know what you're missing. The other one that I cant seem to get my mind off of is the glossy wood trim looks really cheap IMO compared to the Summit flat open pore wood. It just seems out of place in an otherwise sporty looking interior. Overall, I'm looking forward to getting back into my Summit interior. Still enjoying the HA, but the stupid air suspension issue is ridiculous. On the way back from the store the entire drive the dash kept saying entry/exit ride height...even at 50mph lol. Whats funny though is it wasnt even at that height. Then I pull into the garage, manually press the lower button, it lowers, then I get out and it jacks it up to OR2 setting. POS lol

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It only makes sense that the 6 is more nimble and steers lighter than the 8. The lighter weight and rearward placement of the 6 gives the vehicle near perfect weight distribution.
Yeah it drives great for sure! I would be curious to see how the V8 feels with that electric steering of the V6 and if it would give the heavier V8 a lighter feel.
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Yeah it drives great for sure! I would be curious to see how the V8 feels with that electric steering of the V6 and if it would give the heavier V8 a lighter feel.
I have over 93k miles on mine and I drive a lot of twisty mountain roads, so appreciate the handling of the V6. In fact I considered a Cayenne, and test drove one, and yeah that handles the curves better but not so much to justify the greater cost, the more expensive fuel it uses and reduced load capacity. My Jeep never squeals tires around curves, and no it's not as "tight" as the Porsche, but it's no lead sled either.

I doubt you would notice a difference between electric-hydraulic or traditional hydraulic steering. The only difference if what pumps the fluid.
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Got a High Altitude V6 overnight. Compare to Summit V8.

This is a really good write up. I'm curious though as to how 2015s compare to each other. Your Summit is a 2014 so it doesn't have active noise cancellation. Does your Summit have any acoustic glass? I'm not sure what 2014 has.. What's your opinion in the seat comfort? I've read that the cushions are different.

As I've stated in the past, I went from a 2012 Overland 4x2 Hemi to a 2014 Overland 4x4 Hemi to a 2015 4x4 Overland Pentastar V6. The V6 with the 8 speed transmission 'feels' faster than my 2012 Hemi. Steering is lighter with the V6 but at parking lot speeds I still find it being too heavy for my liking.

My wife had an Acadia Denali, mind you for the Traverse, Acadia and Enclave they have 1 powertrain. It's a 3.6 V6 (similar to the Pentastar!) with 288hp 270lb ft torque. It's a larger crossover but it probably weighs just a tad less. So think about how many of those things GM sells. More than Jeep sells of the GC when all 3 models are combined. So having own both at the same time, I personally feel my GC with the V6 was faster than my wife's Acadia. Seat of the pants test. Just sayin. The Jeep has 8 gears, vs 6 in the GM. I know it's kind of an apples to oranges comparo but it's similar weight and similar power. Yet the GC is available with 4 powertrains. My point is, some of you guys on here sound plain stupid and obnoxious when you say that the Pentastar V6 is slow, not capable, etc etc etc. Its plenty capable. In fact, a similar application is all GM offers for 3 of their crossovers that lug around a similar amount of weight. So enough with the slow comments lol

Edit: Ford Explorer also most commonly uses a 3.6 with similar horsepower and weight ratios. So the application is efficient enough to be primarily all that could be offered in the Grand Cherokee. It's just that we should be thankful that Chrysler is badass and gives us choices such as a diesel and two V8s unlike the other domestic automakers that have went to primarily using a 3.6
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Acadia sales
2007 72,765
2008 66,440
2009 53,820
2010 68,295
2011 79,288
2012 79,756
2013 89,793
2014 83,972


Traverse Sales
2009 91,074
2010 106,744
2011 107,131
2012 85,606
2013 96,467
2014 103,943

Enclave Sales
2007 29,286
2008 44,706
2009 43,150
2010 55,426
2011 58,392
2012 56,703
2013 60,534
2014 62,300

Grand Cherokee sales
Year US. Canada Outside NA Total
1993
1994 238,512
1995 252,168
1996 279,195
1997 260,875
1998 229,135
1999 300,031
2000 271,723
2001 223,612
2002 224,233
2003 207,479
2004 182,313 7,454
2005 213,584 9,166
2006 139,148 7,075
2007 120,937 8,078
2008 73,678 7,617
2009 50,328 6,254 14,869 71,451
2010 84,635 7,255
2011 127,744 10,283
2012 154,734 10,416 165,150
2013 174,275 11,587 69,143 255,005
2014 183,786 13,150 82,631 279,567


According to the last available production numbers Jeep outsells all 3 models combined.

FYI ..Having a similar displacement doesn't necessarily mean engines are similiar.
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