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Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

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Jeep has finally agreed to buy back my troubled 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. My new issue is deciding on a vehicle to replace it with. I've narrowed it down to the 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit and the 2015 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock (two door). Price and practicality are not important.

I'm stuck between these two because, at the moment, I am not sure what I want. The Grand Cherokee, especially the Summit, is extremely luxurious and is an all-around nice and sensible vehicle. The Wrangler, however, is not luxurious, even if the Rubicon Hard Rock trim does come with heated leather seats. However, it is really fun and has a lot of soul. The Grand Cherokee, while a nice vehicle, is more appliance-like, so to speak. Now, I'm not saying it is an appliance like most vehicles on the road -- only that it doesn't have nearly as much soul as the Wrangler. After spending two years with the GC, however, I am afraid that I'll really miss its ride, refinement, and comforts. On the other hand, if I buy another GC, I feel like I'll get bored with it and regret passing up on the Wrangler.

Have any of you made a similar decision? Which did you choose, and are you happy with your choice?

Also, for the Wrangler guys, is the ride/noise really that bad (and does it get to you on road trips)? I test drove one, of course, but it's one thing to drive one for 15 minutes and another to drive one for years. The interior, with the hard top, was actually pretty quiet except for some squeaking from the knobby BFG M/T KMs. Does this squeaking go away with mileage, or is there another tire (e.g., the KM2) that won't do this?

Also, I'll be spending most of the year in Palo Alto, CA, which would enable me to use both the convertible (warm weather) and off-road (~3-4 hours from Lake Tahoe and the Rubicon trail) features of the Wrangler. I know the GC is very competent off-road as well, but after seeing the photos of a GC that ran the Rubicon while under development, I'd stick with easier trails.

Ultimately, I am looking for any and all input, as hopefully something one of you says can tip me one way or the other.

Thanks.

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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

We were looking at Wrangler Unlimiteds and Grands.


Took morning to test drive both.


Pros of Wrangler was convertible top. Neg was part time 4wd, damn things should have NV242 Tcases instead of NV231, for winter driving on dry to snow covered pavement. Ride is much harsher and gas mileage not so good.


Opted for an Overland with a hemi and QD2. Much better ride, better gas mileage, luxury and winter vehichle. We already have a couple convertibles and I guess when the 18MY Wrangler appears it will correct issues with leaky tops, no FT T-case, better mileage and updated interior and electronics.
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Old 05-13-2015, 01:49 AM
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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

If it was me, I wouldn't take a Wrangler for free. Never could see why anyone would own one of those things. Guess I'm getting older. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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I own a 14 Summit and my wife has a 13 Patriot. Her Jeep was in the shop and we got a wrangler as rental for her. She liked it for the first day but got tired of it eeal quick.

I got a chance to drive it and while the cool factor is there, I could not see myself trading my Summit for one. Now don't take me wrong, if the Wrangler was my toy vehicle for off roading and such hell yeah I would get one. But as my main car and daily driver...not for me. I guess I did get spoiled with ride and luxury of the GC and Summit in particular.

Test drive both and see what you think.
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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

I own a Grand Cherokee and have been given twice a Wrangler as "rental" while the GC was in shop for repairs. There's no comparison as far as comfort and road handling manners are concerned. From the thud of the door closing to the brakes to the transmission hunting for gears and the aaahhhh-celeration the Wrangler left me unimpressed.

Then again I could have surmised that without driving one. They are different cars for different crowds. It's akin to buying a dog and choosing between a poodle and a German Sheppard

But why another Jeep? Maybe time to look at a Toyota 4Runner or a Lexus GX?
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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

I traded in my Wrangler Rubicon for my SRT and don't regret it at all. My wife still has her Rubi, but most of the time we take mine. I think maybe we are getting softer with age. The wranglers are fun, but the ride quality and noise got to me after a while. Even if I got out of the SRT I'd still get an overland hemi, before going back to a wrangler. The Grand Cherokee line really spoils you.


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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

Wranger is a kewel vehicle and fills its role in the world in a unique and nearly unequaled way. But I'd not likely want one for a daily driver unless I lived in some very specific conditions/geography and really needed the capability. I might own one as a "fun" vehicle where its capabilities are a plus. Beyond that, the JGC fits my personal needs for excellent comfort along with some pretty impressive capability.
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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

Thanks everyone!

While I would get a Wrangler as a second car, I won't have the space. I also have to stick with Jeep (or really anything from FCA, but nothing else interests me) because they are buying it back on the condition that I buy another Jeep, and I don't feel like fighting any longer. Also, I would most likely end up with another Jeep anyway. I had a 2010 Lexus GX460. It was the most boring vehicle ever, not actually that nice (even the Overland is nicer), and drove, I promise you, like a Wrangler but with a smoother ride.

There's a Summit on the lot (Granite/Argentina, HEMI, Platinum Group, Rear DVD) that I am thinking of buying. It has exactly what I would get if I ordered, except it also has the rear DVD system. Here's another big issue I have with the Grand Cherokee: in two years, a MY2015 bought now will have been updated TWICE (first a light refresh for MY2016 before an all-new GC for MY2018). I wouldn't wait two years for a 2016, but I do think I'd feel like an idiot and would be very tempted to trade up, first for the 2016 and later for the 2018. An ownership experience when I regret buying something the whole time wouldn't be very fun. I'd also take a HUGE bath on resale value due to it being two generations behind after just two years. I'm also more tempted to take a chance on the Wrangler, as its resale value, especially in the Rubicon 10A/Rubicon X/Rubicon Hard Rock trim has been incredibly good (KBB has the 10A losing only ~$1000 in value after 2-3 years). If I hate it, I could trade it in and lose $1000-$5000 after a year, not $5,000-$15,000 like the Summit.

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Re: Grand Cherokee Summit vs. Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock

My thoughts are in couple years when they redesign the Wrangler, they will adress alot of the issues.

Talking to a couple techs, Wranglers have leak issues.

I think they will improve the ride, reduce the NVH in them, offer a Full time 4wd T-case, lighten them to improve gas mileage, keep the hard top/soft top in some form, up the HP/TQ and add the 8spd auto in them, update the electronics etc.

We drove a Sahara, it wasnt bad and we might have bit but the damn part time T-case was the deal breaker to me, a real shame considering they have the NV242 right on the shelf. Throw that in with a set of Varilock axles and you would have a nice civil Wrangler and no cost to the corp since those were designed and availble off WJ.
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Thanks everyone!

While I would get a Wrangler as a second car, I won't have the space. I also have to stick with Jeep (or really anything from FCA, but nothing else interests me) because they are buying it back on the condition that I buy another Jeep, and I don't feel like fighting any longer. Also, I would most likely end up with another Jeep anyway. I had a 2010 Lexus GX460. It was the most boring vehicle ever, not actually that nice (even the Overland is nicer), and drove, I promise you, like a Wrangler but with a smoother ride.

There's a Summit on the lot (Granite/Argentina, HEMI, Platinum Group, Rear DVD) that I am thinking of buying. It has exactly what I would get if I ordered, except it also has the rear DVD system. Here's another big issue I have with the Grand Cherokee: in two years, a MY2015 bought now will have been updated TWICE (first a light refresh for MY2016 before an all-new GC for MY2018). I wouldn't wait two years for a 2016, but I do think I'd feel like an idiot and would be very tempted to trade up, first for the 2016 and later for the 2018. An ownership experience when I regret buying something the whole time wouldn't be very fun. I'd also take a HUGE bath on resale value due to it being two generations behind after just two years. I'm also more tempted to take a chance on the Wrangler, as its resale value, especially in the Rubicon 10A/Rubicon X/Rubicon Hard Rock trim has been incredibly good (KBB has the 10A losing only ~$1000 in value after 2-3 years). If I hate it, I could trade it in and lose $1000-$5000 after a year, not $5,000-$15,000 like the Summit.

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Originally you were not concerned about price and practicality, but it appears that taking a hit in depreciation comes up Whether it is a GC or Wrangler in any of their respective trims, all of them will lose value. If you are going to regret anything, then don't look at your pocketbooks because I would be regretting quite a lot of things As others suggested, stick to what you heart wants and go with it. When the time comes for a trade up or trade in, just take the hit because you know at least you enjoyed your time in that vehicle. This is a bit of a transitional phrase for GC with the refresh coming up but the differences are nothing to write home about other from the noted 10% power increase. The time is now and your enjoyment is now- not 6 months or a year later unless you want to wait. So just head out and get what you really like which looks like something you have not owned before and that is a Wrangler. But my gut feeling tells me that you are a GC guy no matter how you like to convince yourself otherwise- the signs in your posts indicate so. Therefore get that GC Summit- negotiate the best price you can and then call it a day. 2015 models have much fewer issues if any and I have not heard of any disgruntled owners of the Summit so far.
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Price and practicality are not important.
Why not get one of each?

The Wrangler will definitely be more fun. But -- especially if you run with the top off -- it will be noisy.

I use my Wrangler as my daily driver. About 11 months of the year, I run with a safari top. It is a fun vehicle. But forget having a conversation at highway speeds. My wife also hates driving the Wrangler because of its choppy ride.

It is still pretty practical. You would be surprised at how much stuff from Home Depot you can cram in to a two door Wrangler.

My Commander on the other hand is a much safer vehicle for my daughter and is smooth and quiet at highway speeds.
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Originally you were not concerned about price and practicality, but it appears that taking a hit in depreciation comes up Whether it is a GC or Wrangler in any of their respective trims, all of them will lose value. If you are going to regret anything, then don't look at your pocketbooks because I would be regretting quite a lot of things As others suggested, stick to what you heart wants and go with it. When the time comes for a trade up or trade in, just take the hit because you know at least you enjoyed your time in that vehicle. This is a bit of a transitional phrase for GC with the refresh coming up but the differences are nothing to write home about other from the noted 10% power increase. The time is now and your enjoyment is now- not 6 months or a year later unless you want to wait. So just head out and get what you really like which looks like something you have not owned before and that is a Wrangler. But my gut feeling tells me that you are a GC guy no matter how you like to convince yourself otherwise- the signs in your posts indicate so. Therefore get that GC Summit- negotiate the best price you can and then call it a day. 2015 models have much fewer issues if any and I have not heard of any disgruntled owners of the Summit so far.
I meant in the context of trading in if I regretted my purchase. I don't exactly want to lose $15,000 if I traded in my 2015 GC for a Wrangler or a 2016 GC in a few months. Initial selling price will not factor into my decision at all. I don't mind paying more initially as long as I'm sure I want the Summit. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Wrangler. Also, I meant practicality in terms of space, comfort, technology, etc., as if any of that mattered, I wouldn't even be considering a two-door Wrangler.
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