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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Honestly, most of the time you see someone in the ditch...it had more to do with the operator than the vehicle simply because they either weren't driving appropriately for the conditions or they chose to drive when their vehicle wasn't suitable for the conditions.



We have both my JGC Summit and my spouse's Outback Limited. (and will likely have another Outback in a few months, passing the current one down to my younger daughter once she passes her test) Both vehicles have been exemplary in all kinds of driving conditions, but both have limits for sure. Knowing when to say "I'm staying home!" is part of the process!

I can agree to this as a former Subaru owner. I would own another Subaru again. A lot of time it is down to the dealership service personnel knowledge with the vehicle as well. I haven't any luck dealing with dealership in Iowa. Still, both Subaru and Jeep is a capable vehicles, lots of time it's due to the error of the operator. I remembered back in 2008, there were floods in Iowa. There is a lot of trucks try to drive through the flooded area without knowing how deep the water was. They all think "I have a pick up truck and lifted, I can get through anything" and what they end up was get struck in the water.


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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

First JGC coming off almost 10 year run with an 06 LR3 (I realize the discussion was about RRS). Believe the hype when people tell you it costs a lot to own a Land Rover. It's true, but fortunately for me my LR3 treated me well and my extended warranty got most of the financial workout. I will say though pound for pound, the Jeep doesn't even compare to build quality. Not even close on exterior. Interior though on my 2014 Summit, it's right on par.

The LR was built like a tank, which took a toll on the 4.4 liter Jag motor. I usually got around 225-265 miles per tank, and the beast weighed in at like 5200lbs. The body panels were straight until the day I traded her in, even after some very minor abuse in the woods, dunes, creek crossings, and some pocono trails. The amount of room inside was crazy, and stadium rear seating was great for passengers.

I was lucky with reliability, but most guys on the forum I was on set aside around at least $2500 or so a year on maintenance. It was just part of owning a LR. Im sure others have diff stories. My favorite part was using an IIDtool to completely program the air suspension and any of the onboard computers with whatever settings I wanted. I'm hoping someday someone cracks the code on these Jeeps.

I traded in primarily for the diesel/mileage, and I liked the brown interior of the Summit. The Jeep has more creature comforts, and so far in 5500 miles has not let me down. The most shocking to me was to see how "plastic" the Jeep is. Even putting on mud flaps was surprise seeing the thin fenders and unsupported plastic bumpers. The skid plates are like felt covered cardboard, and the air suspension is a joke in terms of Off Road capabilities. But still I am extremely happy with my daily 99% on road driving. It's comfortable, the Diesel is fantastic, and It looks great in the driveway.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Of course you wouldn't take it anywhere near RR or JGC territory, this is as far as I went last weekend.
Could you elaborate on the photo of the vehicle attitude info, such as what vehicle was it taken in? Thanks.
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The skid plates are like felt covered cardboard, and the air suspension is a joke in terms of Off Road capabilities. But still I am extremely happy with my daily 99% on road driving. It's comfortable, the Diesel is fantastic, and It looks great in the driveway.
Might you be referring to the front air dam? The air dam is not a skid plate. BTW, I hear it is easy to remove for better off-road clearance (and easy to reinstall).

There are some after-market front air dam metal skid plate replacements available, but I believe Jeep does not offer any such.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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could you elaborate on the photo of the vehicle attitude info, such as what vehicle was it taken in? Thanks.
2014 x5, the image on the left corresponds to the one on the right, if i had better tires i would be able to go over the mountain but it was too slippery and i didn't want to risk any damage to the vehicle.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

I would LOVE to get an RRS - as a rental car for a day (and that's about it). The trouble with them isn't merely that they're unreliable (Jeeps are as well), but that repair costs are massive, as are regular service visits and extended warranties are limited. That makes for a crappy combo IMO. And I say this as a former Jaguar owner who has basically written off LR and Jag as a result. Also - I have several friends with LRs and they spend considerably more time getting repaired than my Jeep (and friends Jeeps). Again, not saying Jeep is reliable but LR really does take the cake.

If you're looking for the combo of reasonable off-road ability and great onroad performance, why not consider some other options: the Mercedes GLE or the Porsche Cayenne? Both are quite a bit more reliable than the LR and just as good in other respects, when properly speced. Of course, if money is a real limiting factor then Jeep starts looking really attractive. And I say this as someone who thinks there's a good chance his next car will be a non-Jeep vehicle.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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I would LOVE to get an RRS - as a rental car for a day (and that's about it). The trouble with them isn't merely that they're unreliable (Jeeps are as well), but that repair costs are massive, as are regular service visits and extended warranties are limited. That makes for a crappy combo IMO. And I say this as a former Jaguar owner who has basically written off LR and Jag as a result. Also - I have several friends with LRs and they spend considerably more time getting repaired than my Jeep (and friends Jeeps). Again, not saying Jeep is reliable but LR really does take the cake.

If you're looking for the combo of reasonable off-road ability and great onroad performance, why not consider some other options: the Mercedes GLE or the Porsche Cayenne? Both are quite a bit more reliable than the LR and just as good in other respects, when properly speced. Of course, if money is a real limiting factor then Jeep starts looking really attractive. And I say this as someone who thinks there's a good chance his next car will be a non-Jeep vehicle.
There's only two SUVs I consider. The Grand Cherokee and the RRS. The others you mention like the Porsche and Mercedes are not true 4x4 vehicles, plus I don't even like the looks of them. I had an X5 and although it was a very nice looking sport model I got bored of it. Not nearly enough creature comforts compared to the JGC Overland/Summit. IMO, the JGC and RRS are two are the most rugged and all-around versatile SUVs out there. Reliability, on the other hand is another thing.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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There's only two SUVs I consider. The Grand Cherokee and the RRS. The others you mention like the Porsche and Mercedes are not true 4x4 vehicles, plus I don't even like the looks of them. I had an X5 and although it was a very nice looking sport model I got bored of it. Not nearly enough creature comforts compared to the JGC Overland/Summit. IMO, the JGC and RRS are two are the most rugged and all-around versatile SUVs out there. Reliability, on the other hand is another thing.
Ok, lets talk about that. The Mercedes is absolutely a true 4x4 vehicle. It has the exact same platform as teh JGC and you can get a real transfer case on it, skid plates and all the goodies you can get on the JGC. Sure, it doesn't come by default, but it doesn't on the JGC either. And I'm not sure the RRS is any better. All three are unibody with independent air suspension setups (with fairly similar maximum ground clearance) and two speed transfer cases.

The Porsche Cayenne is decent enough for light to moderate offroading. Plenty of YouTube videos that are fairly impressive. So my question - how much off road prowess do you need, exactly? Is it more than what you see in the videos? If so, then the JGC may not be up to snuff either. And a Cayenne is going to be considerably better than an X5, which doesn't even claim to be made to go off the pavement. There's a reason BMW calls them "SAVs" instead of "SUVs".

Anyway, if it is just "oh, I don't like how they look" then fair enough. But if it were my money then I definitely wouldn't limit it to those two. And yeah, I do think the "creature comforts" on the Overland/Summits are pretty great. My only comment is that the more stuff you get, the more stuff breaks. My next big repair is going to be one of the heated seats in the overland. Maxcare warranty will cover it except for $100 deductible, but I'll also be two days in a crappy rental (Jeep doesn't do loaners).
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Ok, lets talk about that. The Mercedes is absolutely a true 4x4 vehicle. It has the exact same platform as teh JGC and you can get a real transfer case on it, skid plates and all the goodies you can get on the JGC. Sure, it doesn't come by default, but it doesn't on the JGC either. And I'm not sure the RRS is any better. All three are unibody with independent air suspension setups (with fairly similar maximum ground clearance) and two speed transfer cases.

The Porsche Cayenne is decent enough for light to moderate offroading. Plenty of YouTube videos that are fairly impressive. So my question - how much off road prowess do you need, exactly? Is it more than what you see in the videos? If so, then the JGC may not be up to snuff either. And a Cayenne is going to be considerably better than an X5, which doesn't even claim to be made to go off the pavement. There's a reason BMW calls them "SAVs" instead of "SUVs".

Anyway, if it is just "oh, I don't like how they look" then fair enough. But if it were my money then I definitely wouldn't limit it to those two. And yeah, I do think the "creature comforts" on the Overland/Summits are pretty great. My only comment is that the more stuff you get, the more stuff breaks. My next big repair is going to be one of the heated seats in the overland. Maxcare warranty will cover it except for $100 deductible, but I'll also be two days in a crappy rental (Jeep doesn't do loaners).

Good info. Didn't realize Mercedes does a true 4x4. Not going off road too much but no, I definitely don't like the way the rest look. My eye is drawn the RRS and the Overland/Summit only. Really, not considering any other SUV but I'm not gonna buy a stripped down version in fear things might break. True, they might but that's why I lease within warranty also. Thankfully, I have a second vehicle so I'm not worried about that either.
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The repair costs for the Porsche Cayenne and the Mercedes are MASSIVE. When they're about to come off of warranty or a lease...they're dumped. The quality care issues continue for the RR,Mercedes,Bmw when the initial warranties expire. The Porsche has its issues also but during the warranty period the customer service seems to be good. Watch all those service cost balloon when the warranty for all of those expire though.
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Will this thread surpass the amount of comments on the "What did you do to your WK2 today" thread?


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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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The repair costs for the Porsche Cayenne and the Mercedes are MASSIVE. When they're about to come off of warranty or a lease...they're dumped. The quality care issues continue for the RR,Mercedes,Bmw when the initial warranties expire. The Porsche has its issues also but during the warranty period the customer service seems to be good. Watch all those service cost balloon when the warranty for all of those expire though.
My used MY 14 Cayenne is good for a little longer as it was a Porsche certified used car. That being said I plan on selling it by MY 17 end. Sad how vehicles can no longer be trusted beyond the warranty period because of repair cost.
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