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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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You're doing much the equivalent by driving a European one that's only a year or two old. By then it's most likely had more time in the service bay.
Just changed the oil twice.

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I wouldn't want to drive an 11 year old American car to begin with, bigger problem i see here is eating food from a 11 year old grill I hope your big patio doesn't burn down because of that old grill.
I'll be ordering a 2017 Limited as soon as the order banks open, but in the meantime, I'm still driving my 2004 Yukon XL that's just coming up on 200k miles. Every time I get in it (which is every day) I marvel at what a good vehicle it still is, even by today's standards. Far and away the best vehicle I've ever owned, and over the course of almost fifty years I've owned just about everything from Toyota to Porsche.

Come to think of it, that Weber grill out on my deck is probably about the same age (as the Yukon, not as me - and not nearly so many miles as either).
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

The FACT is that every vehicle maker has the Potential to produce a great & reliable vehicle. They all also have the potential to create a lemon.

I've had American Vehicles that suffered numerous problems and others that had almost none. The same is true of Japanese & European brands.

My 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee had a LOT of issues almost from day one. But my 2015 WK2 hasn't had a single major issue so far in almost a year.

Looking at reports from owners related to initial & long term quality should be part of every vehicle purchase decision. But you have to also understand that you could buy a jewel or a lemon from just about any company. It is how a company handles any issues that sets them apart.
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So Jeep is American trash with problems to match?


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The Grand Cherokee was co-developed with the Mercedes M-Class. The HEMI V8 is Made in Mexico, the diesel is Italian. The gearbox is from ZF, which is either Made in Germany or Licensed produce by Chrysler in America.


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The Grand Cherokee was co-developed with the Mercedes M-Class. The HEMI V8 is Made in Mexico, the diesel is Italian. The gearbox is from ZF, which is either Made in Germany or Licensed produce by Chrysler in America.


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Right, I was being sarcastic which just proves how euro trash the jeep is


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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Jeep doesn't ask for 80-150,000 for their vehicles then parade their company around likes its full of excellence when the company is full actually of S##t. If you're asking that much for vehicles you should expect to ride in it on a regular basis not get rental cars from the dealer on a regular basis because it's in a service bay broken instead of at your home working.
Jeep is a bit cheaper but still sells plenty of cars in the $50-70k range (Overland/Summit and SRT builds) but is truly mediocre when it comes to service and has questionable reliability. You pay more for European car brands but you can't say you don't get more. For example - when you start talking at $100k+ you can start looking at the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, which offers faster than SRT speeds but is still capable off the pavement AND you'll get a loaner car if you drop it off at the dealership.

So I would say it like it is - for more money you can get something better (as with basically all things) but the question is whether the money is really worth it. Not only do you pay more for the Euro brands but the maintenance and repair costs are significantly higher. Is it worth it? Depends on your perspective.
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No,what I'm saying is that these euro automakers should put more into their quality care and vehicle maintenance if they're gonna ask for a lot of cash for their product. ALL auto companies should but when you're spending 80 plus...you expect a better product then watching it being towed away on a regular basis. The ride height of these vehicles is different when it's on the back of a flatbed tow truck with its yellow lights flashing.
If you look at reliability surveys, Porsche is considerably more reliable than Jeep. Mercedes is as well. You have to get to Land Rover (!!) to find comparably terrible numbers. Now, the issue is that when my Jeep dies I can rely on my Maxcare warranty to take care of it, and no similar warranty exists for the other car companies (note: I drive around 25k miles per year, so a 100k mile warranty isn't going to last me long - and I intend to keep it for close to 200k miles), plus even out of warranty repairs/maintenance is considerably cheaper. But if you're purely focusing on "being towed away on a regular basis" then Jeep has nothing to brag about (and I say this as someone on their third Jeep vehicle).
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At least there is an option for extended warranty beyond the factory period for these cars. MB, BMW, Porsche, RR offer extended warranty or CPO's when purchased used, some last for 7 years/100k miles which isn't bad for an average driver.


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Maybe, but for someone that drives 25k+ miles a year that is useless.
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How is the air suspension a joke Off Road? QL is what makes it so capable off-roading- obviously its not gonna ride like a Caddy but the ability to gain ground clearance while sacrificing a little in comfort is necessary.
Yeah, that is a baffling statement. Air suspension what allows it to be fantastic at 100mph (lowered to sport mode) and great off the pavement (raised to OR2 height). You absolutely cannot serve both use cases without a similar system. Many of us are not going to keep a raised Jeep Wrangler around just to occasionally go off the pavement, nor are we going to drive a raised beast around to the office every day along with long road trips. That is why when you look at Range Rovers, the Mercedes M class and the Porsche Cayenne (who all try to balance off road ability with on road usability), you find 3 models that utilize an air suspension system.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

I would put a much higher value on the opinions of people who support all of this overpriced euro trash, if they actually owned and drove them for 10 years and 100,000 miles plus. Instead of leasing / renting them every couple of years. Then turn around and try to tell people how wonderful they are. If BMW started a 100,000 mile club, it would have no members. While the people who short term own, and or lease would fill the Rose Bowl, along with it's parking lot, full of timed out, used BMW's with no buyers.
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So what are you saying? If I am paying 50k for a jeep it should be flawless? You know that's not the case obviously, every car breaks down regardless of the price. I turned down the JGC twice when I leased for the last 6 years, once for an Infiniti and now for the X5 just because of what I am reading on this forum. Now will be my 3rd attempt in 2017 and hopefully I can convince myself to get the Jeep this time around. My X5 was 10k more than the JGC Summit, so we are not comparing exotic prices here just 10k. What that 10k gets me is a loaner not a rental in case something goes wrong, free maintenance and 4/50k warranty. Obviously I am paying for it, but to me it's worth having argue with the dealer about parts, rentals and wasted time. I call the dealer they pick up the car from my house and drop off an equivalent X5 and bring it back when it's done.

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I don't really consider the X5 a comparable vehicle to a JGC in many respects. It has no off road capability at all, nor does it claim to. The JGC maintenance costs for the first 4 years/50k miles is minimal (as it is for all cars, except a few high end models that do $200-400+ oil changes and the like - my dealer charges $40 for semi-synth and gives the 4th free even without a coupon). I also have to ask what features/trim you got to make that comparison, plus the fact that a 4 year/50k mile warranty for heavy users is nothing. But I guess it all comes down to your use case. If you want a car to lease and drive under 12k/year, then sure a euro car can be a reasonable choice. If you're looking at a car to buy and keep for the long term then that starts being a less reasonable choice.
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I would put a much higher value on the opinions of people who support all of this overpriced euro trash, if they actually owned and drove them for 10 years and 100,000 miles plus. Instead of leasing / renting them every couple of years. Then turn around and try to tell people how wonderful they are. If BMW started a 100,000 mile club, it would have no members. While the people who short term own, and or lease would fill the Rose Bowl, along with it's parking lot, full of timed out, used BMW's with no buyers.
You keep your cars forever I change them often, can we move forward?
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