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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

Isn't he the editor for autoblog?

Edit: answered my own question, thats Doug from Autoblog.com, i believe he was paid to purchase the vehicle from Carmax along with carmax warranty just to prove that its worth getting since it covered all the problems, sounds like a carman PR stunt. I believe he has an Aston Martin now with similar warranty, very entertaining to read his articles.

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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Terrifying. A few things I get from that:

- Remember, this is a third party warranty, not a manufacturer's warranty. I used to deal with that with my Jaguar and they fought me every freakin' time I made a claim.
I don't know of any good third party warranty companies left.
Knew one but they are defunct and now all it seems we have are the "Warning: We have IMPORTANT INFORMATION that the warranty on your mumble mumble is ABOUT TO EXPIRE!" types that call you from your own home phone number--like this is supposed to inspire trust in their integrity.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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I don't know of any good third party warranty companies left.
Knew one but they are defunct and now all it seems we have are the "Warning: We have IMPORTANT INFORMATION that the warranty on your mumble mumble is ABOUT TO EXPIRE!" types that call you from your own home phone number--like this is supposed to inspire trust in their integrity.
Yep, you can read on a variety of auto blogs (and forums like this one) to basically never trust third party warranties. Keep in mind, a car manufacturer selling that kind of warranty can justify their costs because they're paying out at a lower rate for labor, using refurbished parts, factoring in customer goodwill/increased future sales, etc. A third party company has absolutely none of that, so a legit company would simply be paying the dealer whatever their costs are, and therefore would have a hard time surviving.
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I have owned several high end SUVs, my first being a 98 5.9 limited in 2000...I've also owned a ML55 AMG, a 2010 BMW X5 with the sport package and aero body kit (my favorite vehicle I ever owned), then a 2014 RR Sport HSE w/ lux package. Last year fortunately my business really took off and I had to buy a new building 3 years ahead of plan...I sold the RR off for quick capital and since it had high demand I scored top dollar selling it privately...I drove both a 2015 overland and i kept going back to the Altitude in the showroom based on looks. It had the most options for the price and I don't regret the purchase at all. Everybody including my wife couldn't believe it. I would rather invest in my livelihood and save the status. I get just as many compliments and looks in the GC as the RR. Between the 2 the RR had very confusing menus and simple tasks were sometimes difficult. Trying to figure out air ride and vehicle traction settings was confusing as hell and even the wipers were a nightmare. My Beloved X5 was great but sadly at the end needed around 10k in repairs, all under warranty thankfully...from an enthusiasts standpoint sure the other loaded up V8s were a blast to drive but between avoiding tickets and driving responsibly with my kids in the car there was no practical reason to have it. As all my previous SUVs had modifications done I was active on other forums. Just like anything in life there are bad apples out there that ruin everything for everyone. Each forum had obnoxious douchebags that put their smartass 2 cents in and that gives a stigma that BMW or RR drivers are assholes. Shit, I see some members on here who always have to constantly put others down...I go to lots of cars and coffee shows and I'm always nice to younger guys who are coming up and sometimes have older cars, but it's their passion to love their car. I can't disrespect that because once I was the 20 something heavy into vws. Moral of my long post is drive them all, hell even drive some shit you and I both can't afford ( because it's fun and life is about joy) and buy what you think you will enjoy the most, not what other people will think...I love this forum for great advice from great people and many helpful tips...


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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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How is the air suspension a joke Off Road? QL is what makes it so capable off-roading- obviously its not gonna ride like a Caddy but the ability to gain ground clearance while sacrificing a little in comfort is necessary.
Ran with OR1 and OR2 this weekend due to the snow here in the NorthEast. Although handy, this pretty much confirmed my thoughts. Just comparing what I had, so YMMV. OR2 pretty much makes the vehicle a higher rigid suspension, no more travel or articulation left, just bottom out bangs and noises. OR1 isn't' bad, but still has very limited travel. On my LR3 even the highest Off Road setting still had a bit of travel and maintained Off Road capabilities. I'd like to see a GC still negotiate any terrain in OR2. Not saying it's a bad system, it's just a stretch IMO to call it Off Road capable.
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The last Defender: Is Land Rover's off-road heyday over?
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Ran with OR1 and OR2 this weekend due to the snow here in the NorthEast. Although handy, this pretty much confirmed my thoughts. Just comparing what I had, so YMMV. OR2 pretty much makes the vehicle a higher rigid suspension, no more travel or articulation left, just bottom out bangs and noises. OR1 isn't' bad, but still has very limited travel. On my LR3 even the highest Off Road setting still had a bit of travel and maintained Off Road capabilities. I'd like to see a GC still negotiate any terrain in OR2. Not saying it's a bad system, it's just a stretch IMO to call it Off Road capable.
Explain please what you mean by "maintaining off road capabilities" at the highest off road setting? And also what are you expectations of negotiating any terrain in OR2?
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Explain please what you mean by "maintaining off road capabilities" at the highest off road setting? And also what are you expectations of negotiating any terrain in OR2?
Wait, put away the pitchforks, I do love my Jeep . 5600 miles and so far am happy I made the purchase. Just saying I believe the air suspension has some room to improve. I'm certainly no off road guru or anything, just comparing to the LR suspension that I was used for the past 9 years.

Traversing some minor snow drifts and embankments allowed me to see that on OR2 articulation was pretty much maxed, and the knocks and bangs that I heard from testing out on some uneven roads were present. My use case is 99% on road with some pocono weekends and trips to the cabin. Maybe some fun at OBX, but certainly not hitting the trails in my Summit.
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Traversing some minor snow drifts and embankments allowed me to see that on OR2 articulation was pretty much maxed, and the knocks and bangs that I heard from testing out on some uneven roads were present. My use case is 99% on road with some pocono weekends and trips to the cabin. Maybe some fun at OBX, but certainly not hitting the trails in my Summit.
I think that while the Quadra Lift suspension has room to improve before it matches the articulation and the ground clearance of the RR/LR products. ORA-2 was not designed to be driven at Rally Raid speeds, "Dakar Style", but rather only to be used when navigating at slow speeds over boulders or when crossing a river or when climbing over an embankment or something like that. Even the manual says it:

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When off-roading, it is recommended that the lowest useable vehicle height that will clear the current obstacle or terrain be selected. The vehicle height should then be raised as required by the changes in terrain.
So what exactly do you mean about "maintaining off-road capabilities" in its highest setting in reference to Grand Cherokees ? Comfort ? Articulation and Traction?

I looked and could not find the numbers for the Grand Cherokee, but here are the wheel articulation numbers for the Range Rover, including a picture showing wheel lift due to lack of further articulation. It would be interesting how the Jeep compares, but I also think the RR quoted competitor numbers are for those SUVs without air springs.
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Can the RR do this????


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Can the RR do this????
Well RR can surely build a package that can out-drive both a Trail-rated and an SRT Grand Cherokee. Jeep can't offer the same performance in a single car.
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