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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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He has a 2WD jeep so that's that. Who the hell buys a 2WD SUV????


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He lives in Phoenix, the majority of the population there have 4x2. And it became more common in the GCs when the WK2 came out because they are great all around vehicles. A much better choice than a 4x2 4Runner.

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I have no clue why people do that. It is such a...waste. SUVs should only be offered as AWD/4WD. That is my simplistic and resolute opinion. Regardless of the market.

If you are to buy a large RWD car other than an SUV, you can buy a lot of nicer cars, equally comfortable and almost as roomy (station wagons) that are likely to be even faster and more fuel efficient. Cadillac used to make one and so did Dodge. Germans make a few models.

Most Americans have some weirdly misguided tastes in cars such as buying FWD or RWD cross-overs that look more menacing and imposing than a bona fide 4WD truck. Yet they refuse to buy station wagons, which are exactly the type of car that gave rise to the SUV segment, and come with all the benefits of a car and none of the shortcomings of an SUV. Must be a stigma...but why?
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Since you so love to follow me around and argue, I've got a better question. Why should I buy a 4 WD for a vehicle that is never going to leave the pavement, or ever see a snowflake, and be lucky if it sees wet pavement once a year? And spare me the whole "resale value" routine.

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Autotrader advice ? ha ha ha !

Even if Autotrader commissioned Jeremy Clarkson to highlight the virtues of RWD over AWD, I would not take that advice.
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Old 02-05-2016, 02:51 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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That is my simplistic and resolute opinion. Regardless of the market.
And it's valued as much as a turd on the sidewalk.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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Since you so love to follow me around and argue, I've got a better question. Why should I buy a 4 WD for a vehicle that is never going to leave the pavement, or ever see a snowflake, and be lucky if it sees wet pavement once a year? And spare me the whole "resale value" routine.

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All of those reasons come down to money. Sure, 4WD is more expensive - in gas, maintenance and initial cost. But I would never, ever buy a car without it because it increases safety/stability exactly when you need it most.

Just one note: If I lived in a desert climate I would without a doubt buy an SRT.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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I have no clue why people do that. It is such a...waste. SUVs should only be offered as AWD/4WD. That is my simplistic and resolute opinion. Regardless of the market.

If you are to buy a large RWD car other than an SUV, you can buy a lot of nicer cars, equally comfortable and almost as roomy (station wagons) that are likely to be even faster and more fuel efficient. Cadillac used to make one and so did Dodge. Germans make a few models.

Most Americans have some weirdly misguided tastes in cars such as buying FWD or RWD cross-overs that look more menacing and imposing than a bona fide 4WD truck. Yet they refuse to buy station wagons, which are exactly the type of car that gave rise to the SUV segment, and come with all the benefits of a car and none of the shortcomings of an SUV. Must be a stigma...but why?
I mean, if there's demand they'll offer it. I can't fault them for that. At any rate, I can think of several reasons station wagons aren't popular. For one, they're basically smaller minivans. Americans have more space and larger families, so people that would get a station wagon would just get a minivan. Many people, like me, would NEVER get a minivan but then again we wouldn't get a station wagon either - mostly because they're the epitome of passive domestication that would signal to the world that I have abandoned the last shred of masculinity left in my being. Along the same line, have you ever seen anyone excited to get a station wagon? I'm going with "no" and you never will. So when it comes time to throw down $50k+, many will look at the "sensible" station wagon and walk right past to a sport SUV and just get that.

As for 2WD SUVs - beats the hell out of me. I suspect it is "I want the look of the SUV but I'm cheap and live in a desert (and don't leave it)"
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I mean, if there's demand they'll offer it. I can't fault them for that. At any rate, I can think of several reasons station wagons aren't popular. For one, they're basically smaller minivans. Americans have more space and larger families, so people that would get a station wagon would just get a minivan. Many people, like me, would NEVER get a minivan but then again we wouldn't get a station wagon either - mostly because they're the epitome of passive domestication that would signal to the world that I have abandoned the last shred of masculinity left in my being. Along the same line, have you ever seen anyone excited to get a station wagon? I'm going with "no" and you never will. So when it comes time to throw down $50k+, many will look at the "sensible" station wagon and walk right past to a sport SUV and just get that.

As for 2WD SUVs - beats the hell out of me. I suspect it is "I want the look of the SUV but I'm cheap and live in a desert (and don't leave it)"


Speaking of exciting stations wagons NOT offered in US, Audi RS6, MB63 don't remember if the M5 had a variation of a wagon I am sure it did. I would get excited in a heartbeat to drive one of these.



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And it's valued as much as a turd on the sidewalk.
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I suspect it is "I want the look of the SUV but I'm cheap and live in a desert (and don't leave it)"
What does, "being cheap and living in the desert", have to do with purchasing something you have absolutely zero need or use for? That's called wasting money. Try making sense.
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What does, "being cheap and living in the desert", have to do with purchasing something you have absolutely zero need or use for? That's called wasting money. Try making sense.
Seriously, the several thousand dollars difference isn't material. It isn't even worth considering.
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Depends on who's spending the cash
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Seriously, the several thousand dollars difference isn't material. It isn't even worth considering.
Your right, it wasn't. And I didn't. You don't "NEED" 4 WD on pavement. If you're so convinced you do, perhaps your money would be better spent on driving lessons instead. I've been driving for almost 50 years. 23 years of that was in and around the city of Chicago. In some of the worst blizzards, ice storms, sleet, and snow accumulation that city has ever had. I have never owned a 4 WD in my life.

Never once did I ever get stuck, or require a tow truck to get to where I was going. And that included 16 years of driving 30 miles each way to and from work, 6 days a week. Never once. Add to that I never bought a set of "snow tires" in my life. And much of that driving was on rural 2 lane roads, that didn't get the attention of snow removal like the limited access Tollroads and Expressways did, in and around the city.

Now all of a sudden, after I've been driving an additional 25 years in the desert southwest, where we never see a snowflake, and have gone 100 days without seeing a rain drop, I've got guys like you handing out "advice" that I somehow must have it, and was foolish not to buy it. The only thing 4 WD would have accomplished on my new Jeep, would be to not allow me to tow as much as I presently can with 2 WD. Which incidentally my 1991 Ford F-150 has had for the last 150,000+ miles. Again, never stuck. Never once. So if you don't mind, and even if you do, I'll let you keep your own advice, and waste your own money.
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