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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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So very true. It took me a while to finally understand why BMW took away the dipstick from under the hood.... Most now have one in the drivers seat.

Why have a dipstick when you can view the oil level on the screen?
I am missing it in the drivers seat as well, I probably didn't check that option when ordering the car.


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Old 01-09-2016, 07:40 AM
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Why have a dipstick when you can view the oil level on the screen?
Why over electronically engineer something that doesn't require it? Who needs that level of expensive, over complexity in order to perform such a simple task, (other than Europeans who seem to marvel at such nonsense)? A dipstick for a Jeep costs $17.85. What is that electronic abortion going to cost you when, (not if), it takes a dump? You've just put forth the reason why few BMW owners will keep one beyond the warranty. They're nothing more than financial disasters waiting to happen. These things taking a dump seem to be a regular occurrence on these overpriced tinker toys.


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Why over electronically engineer something that doesn't require it? Who needs that level of expensive, over complexity in order to perform such a simple task, (other than Europeans who seem to marvel at such nonsense)? A dipstick for a Jeep costs $17.85. What is that electronic abortion going to cost you when, (not if), it takes a dump? You've just put forth the reason why few BMW owners will keep one beyond the warranty. They're nothing more than financial disasters waiting to happen.

Not my problem, that's why I lease.


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Not my problem, that's why I lease.
Well that sure is a reassuring endorsement of dependability.
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Well that sure is a reassuring endorsement of dependability.

You really want to start talking about dependability on the jeep forum?


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Old 01-09-2016, 08:21 AM
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You really want to start talking about dependability on the jeep forum?
Why not? Chrysler writes affordable unlimited lifetime and mileage warranties on them every day of the week. Try getting the same on ANY BMW. There is a good reason why you can't.
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I don't keep my cars forever.


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I don't keep my cars forever.
That's immaterial. The fact they won't warranty their product as well as most other manufacturers is a direct reflection on quality, or lack of it. It's one thing if an individual is making the purchase because it's cheap, (Harbor Freight tools). You expect it not to last. You gave up most hope of quality with the cheap purchase price. For the most part it's an occasional use, disposable item that's "good enough"..... At least for a while. When it goes to hell it's no great loss.

With a BMW you pay a premium for ownership. And in the process are awarded with a vehicle that becomes an expensive POS after the warranty runs out. In essence you have the worst of both worlds. The fact you, (like most BMW drivers), lease or dump it before the warranty runs out, is a direct point to that fact. If you did purchase your vehicles outright, and keep them, you most likely would not be driving a BMW. And most wouldn't blame you. The risk far exceeds any reward that might actually exist. That say's a lot about the complete lack of quality in what is considered by most to be an expensive "durable good".
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This 2016 reliability report from consumer reports, the most trusted organization in the US. It's a fact that Jeeps are unreliable, if you can't see that then take the blinders off, the fact that they offer a lifetime warranty means nothing, it's a sales tool to generate more profit.
I can't believe I had to spend my precious 10 minutes to post this.
End of conversation, back to RR vs Jeep topic.


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This 2016 reliability report from consumer reports, the most trusted organization in the US. It's a fact that Jeeps are unreliable, if you can't see that then take the blinders off, the fact that they offer a lifetime warranty means nothing, it's a sales tool to generate more profit.
I can't believe I had to spend my precious 10 minutes to post this.
You wasted your time because it's a totally moot point. You're not getting it. Any vehicle can break down regardless of make. None are immune, Jeep included. You can get a "good one", or be unlucky and get a "bad one".

The fact is if you are warrantied it takes a large financial load off your mind, as well as your pocketbook. Regardless of the make, or how Consumer Reports, or anyone else, rates it. The longer the manufacturer is willing to warranty their product, the more mechanically confident they are in said product. BMW obviously is not. The reason is they know if they warrantied their products for life, and or unlimited miles, they would lose money, pure and simple. Better the buyer than them.

You don't see any of this because you rent your cars. When people rent, (i.e. lease), instead of own, failure becomes someone else's problem, not yours. I feel the same way when I'm on vacation and step up to the Budget or Avis counter at the airport. I could care less about warranties. I just want to be sure they give me the number to call if it takes a dump, so they can bring me another one. That all has zero bearing on something I've bought and paid for. And intend to keep over the long haul.
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Forget the RRS - get a Defender 90 or 110 before they are gone and then you can go anywhere and look good doing it ( not the most comfortable ride thought!)

I would have bought a Defender if they have sold in the U.S. My runner-up before I buy my Jeep was a LR4. Here are some points that I think the GC is a bigger bargain than the Land Rover. First, you got some features on the GC, but with $20,000 price tag. The LR4 is a much older platform than the GC and is due to be replace. Also, where I lived in Iowa, the closest Land Rover dealership is 178 miles away and due to the reliability issue with the Land Rover, it could be a problem. Even if I had problem with my Jeep, there is always a Jeep dealership around. It is much particle to buy the Grand Cherokee over the LR4. Those were the considerations when I was making my decision to purchase my Jeep, even though my heart is always goes to Land Rover, well, It probably because I am kind of British.


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The longer the manufacturer is willing to warranty their product, the more mechanically confident they are in said product. .

Jeeps factory warranty is 3/36k miles
BMW factory warranty is 4/50k miles

Confirms exactly what you said.




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