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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

the Jeep reliability argument is really a moot point....same for pretty much any automaker. The difference between number one and last place is like .?? when you look at repairs per 100 vehicles. Ive owned a #1 rated Lexus car that was in many more times than my current 2014 Jeep SRT.

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Old 01-09-2016, 01:52 PM
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Irrelevant in the grand scheme but the 2008 diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee was a Mercedes unit, not a FIAT.
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That's exactly what I was thinking, wasn't sure if I missed something or not.
There is something you missed. It might not be entirely obvious.

One of the many problems with the Range Rover (exclusively for some of the contributors to this thread) is that it is not offered with a HEMI V8 engine and with a navigation system that cannot be updated with a USB stick by the consumer. In fact, with this navigation system, we learned in this thread that Jaguar Land Rover is about to make it worse :-) by installing a huge 10 inch screen. How crazy is that ?!?!
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Jeeps factory warranty is 3/36k miles
BMW factory warranty is 4/50k miles
I'm not understanding why you're being so deliberately dense about this. I'm talking about EXTENDED WARRANTIES, protecting you during long term, high mileage ownership. You cannot get unlimited time and mileage warranties on BMW's. They don't sell them. The best you can get is maybe 6 years with a mileage limit. That's it. And they're expensive in relationship to the coverage. Then you're on your own. Not so with Chrysler products. They have some of the best unlimited time and mileage warranties in the business from a cost and coverage standpoint.

Again, none of this matters to you because you rent. But for anyone buying, and planning on keeping a vehicle for a long period, it's all but imperative to be covered on the high repair cost of today's modern vehicles. Their overly complex and expensive electronic systems can easily run into the thousands if they fail. You have to be out of your mind to go without health care today, because a single serious illness could cost you your life savings, and leave you bankrupt. By the same token, a modern vehicle out of warranty could cost thousands of dollars to repair.

But if your someone who doesn't have much to begin with, and calculates everything in their lives by monthly payments, none of this has any bearing.
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the Jeep reliability argument is really a moot point....same for pretty much any automaker. The difference between number one and last place is like .??
I agree. You take a chance with most any new vehicle you buy, regardless of brand. You hope it will be dependable. But the reality is there is no way to know or guarantee that. If you rent, it doesn't matter. If you purchase outright, and plan on keeping it, you protect yourself with the best extended warranty you can possibly obtain. That was my reasoning for choosing this new Jeep.

I'm covered until the cost of repair exceeds the vehicles value. There was no way I could obtain coverage like that on either Mercedes or BMW. So I walked away. When the salesman tried talking us into a lease, I picked up the pace and walked faster. It was good exercise, but not much else.
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I'm not understanding why you're being so deliberately dense about this. I'm talking about EXTENDED WARRANTIES, protecting you during long term, high mileage ownership. You cannot get unlimited time and mileage warranties on BMW's. They don't sell them. The best you can get is maybe 6 years with a mileage limit. That's it. And they're expensive in relationship to the coverage. Then you're on your own. Not so with Chrysler products. They have some of the best unlimited time and mileage warranties in the business from a cost and coverage standpoint.

Again, none of this matters to you because you rent. But for anyone buying, and planning on keeping a vehicle for a long period, it's all but imperative to be covered on the high repair cost of today's modern vehicles. Their overly complex and expensive electronic systems can easily run into the thousands if they fail. You have to be out of your mind to go without health care today, because a single serious illness could cost you your life savings, and leave you bankrupt. By the same token, a modern vehicle out of warranty could cost thousands of dollars to repair.

But if your someone who doesn't have much to begin with, and calculates everything in their lives by monthly payments, none of this has any bearing.

According to you, anyone who leases doesn't have much to begin with and calculates their life by a monthly payment, you are very shallow, narrow minded insulting angry little man. Have fun running your jeep into the ground while I'll be building out my next new car, we are done with this topic, just don't respond and move on.


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Old 01-09-2016, 03:23 PM
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According to you, anyone who leases doesn't have much to begin with and calculates their live by a monthly payment, you are very shallow, narrow minded insulting angry little man....Have fun running your jeep into the ground while I'll be building out my next new car.
I didn't say that. You refuse to look at anything from other than your perspective. The fact of the matter is people who purchase new vehicles today are keeping them for 11 years on average, and longer. This has been proven to you in another thread. The fact you don't want to accept it is your problem.

You lease, which means you are constantly paying for an automobile, one way or another. I have never leased, or had a car payment in my life. We come from two different financial worlds. My mistake was thinking you could understand that. We see cars differently. You're young and are thrilled by them. And by your own admission, can't wait to "build your next one". For me they are transportation I want the least financial obligation with, or trouble from. The fewer of them I have to waste money on, the better. Because of that extended warranties are an absolute must. You're young and can't, or won't grasp that. Cars don't turn me on because they lose value every day you own them. They're a necessary evil. I like investments that grow in value. Perhaps someday you'll understand that, and your priorities will change.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

I think the ass end of all LR's nowadays are ugly.

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So very true. It took me a while to finally understand why BMW took away the dipstick from under the hood.... Most now have one in the drivers seat.
My Cayenne MY14 does not have a dipstick. And yes the guy behind the wheel is one. That said, the only upside to this DIC check of the oil level is. You do check it more often . I still wish there was a dipstick . I have never had a failure with one.

Just another reason that this rig may not stay around much longer. Also the closest Dealer is a 2 1/2 hours away since I moved up north.

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...... That said, the only upside to this DIC check of the oil level is. You do check it more often . I still wish there was a dipstick . I have never had a failure with one.
That's just it. I can understand going with some high tech, electronic wizardry to check oil levels. That type of crap impresses some people. But why eliminate the dipstick? It's not like it adds so much to the cost. And with something so crucial as engine oil, why not have a positive back up method to check it? Especially when the electronics on these things are so prone to failure and problems. At least on BMW models.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

You're preaching to the choir on this one. I have not had this vehicle that long. Purchased it used with 17K on the clock. If it needs oil at some point and I want to add. That means I have to run back to the driver's seat and check the level?

Mid summer is not far off.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

I've owned two Range Rovers and both were disappointing to say the least. I bought a 2005 in 2006, with only 8,000 miles and the damn thing felt like it had 208,000 miles on it. It squeaked and rattled and clunked around miserably. The interior felt enormous but thin. The windows were so tall, and I quickly found myself wondering why I liked this car so much. The more I looked at it the less I cared for the look and lines. The interior door panels felt as if they weren't thick enough, and the dash was too narrow. Almost like an early 90's vehicle.

I unloaded it in 2008 and got a 2 year old Escalade. All I can say about that is, well, it's a GM...

Then in 2012 I went for it and I bought a brand new RRS. The first 3-4 mos I felt so proud. But shortly after the headaches began to pile up. First was a cooling issue, then electronics issues came up. One of which was the ECM dead shorted against the mount which caused the transmission to shift from high to 1st, which in turn caused problems that arose a year later and required the transmission to needing a rebuild.

It wasn't a total dud requiring lemon law action, but it just had WAY more issues than expected for a brand new vehicle. I had heard that RR in general has a very low reliability rate, one of the worst for SUV's in fact. And my experience felt like it justified that claim.

I traded it in on a 2014 X5, and quickly wasn't impressed with that either. I ended up selling that out right to a co-worker, and bought a 2013 SRT-8. I loved it so much I found a 2011 Overland for my daily driver and the SRT-8 is my weekend/project car.

In my opinion, I would steer clear of the Range Rover brand all together. But this is just one owner and 2 vehicles which is a pitifully small sample size.


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