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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

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I've owned two Range Rovers and both were disappointing to say the least. I bought a 2005 in 2006, with only 8,000 miles and the damn thing felt like it had 208,000 miles on it. It squeaked and rattled and clunked around miserably. The interior felt enormous but thin. The windows were so tall, and I quickly found myself wondering why I liked this car so much. The more I looked at it the less I cared for the look and lines. The interior door panels felt as if they weren't thick enough, and the dash was too narrow. Almost like an early 90's vehicle.

I unloaded it in 2008 and got a 2 year old Escalade. All I can say about that is, well, it's a GM...

Then in 2012 I went for it and I bought a brand new RRS. The first 3-4 mos I felt so proud. But shortly after the headaches began to pile up. First was a cooling issue, then electronics issues came up. One of which was the ECM dead shorted against the mount which caused the transmission to shift from high to 1st, which in turn caused problems that arose a year later and required the transmission to needing a rebuild.

It wasn't a total dud requiring lemon law action, but it just had WAY more issues than expected for a brand new vehicle. I had heard that RR in general has a very low reliability rate, one of the worst for SUV's in fact. And my experience felt like it justified that claim.

I traded it in on a 2014 X5, and quickly wasn't impressed with that either. I ended up selling that out right to a co-worker, and bought a 2013 SRT-8. I loved it so much I found a 2011 Overland for my daily driver and the SRT-8 is my weekend/project car.

In my opinion, I would steer clear of the Range Rover brand all together. But this is just one owner and 2 vehicles which is a pitifully small sample size.
Throughout my life I'm come across people who purchased British vehicles and motorcycles, and had the same problems that you've described. Especially regarding the electrical and assorted problematic electronical systems. Triumph and BSA motorcycles were all plagued with much the same. With their, "Lucas Get Home Before Dark" electric's.

I had a co worker in the early 80's who bought an MG, (one of those tinker toy little sports cars). I can't count the times I pulled over to pick him up on the side of the road going home from work. He finally got fed up and got rid of it. Once they had it for 3 weeks trying to trace a short that would drain the battery in less than 48 hours. They never found it. He told me the best invention they ever came up with for European cars was the Battery Tender. Because he knew he could at least make it home from work before the 10:00 O'clock news came on.

Another guy had an older Jaguar. Same deal. It was a coin toss if it would start or not after sitting for 3 days or more. It also leaked most every fluid contained in the engine and transmission. British Leyland electrical systems look like something that was cooked up on the Food Channel. Especially the older ones. Some with their 6 volt, positive ground, and other ass backwards electrical $h!t they managed to employ over the years. And it just seems they've never improved them in today's vehicles. This, going by the same type of electrical issues that keep popping up on the newer ones, like you've had trouble with. It's like a nightmare that just keeps getting worse.

I even read there was a guy in southern California who had a patent of sorts, on a system that would replace the driveline and electrical components on new Jaguars with a Chevy 350 V-8 and a GM transmission and Delco electrical components. He had a backlog of people waiting for the conversion who loved the "style" of the newer Jaguars, but didn't want all of the headaches associated with driving them. There has been just so much bad with these things, I would never allow myself to even consider owning one. I learned from everyone else's pain.

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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

For me, I considered the JGC, Audi Q7 as being pretty comparable.
Option package vs Audi is a better value for equal $$ cause options add up quick on all the upper scale suv's. I believe the RRS is a similar comparitive.Nice unit but $$ will be much higher for similar option package.
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I think my '08 Jeep GC Limited 's' CRD looks pretty darn fine ...on that flatbed!

Yep...that's diesel that spewed onto the road while trying to start it.

This incident brought the total warranty claims amount to $14,380!....in 67,000km.

Turbo+, fuel pump+, and a tie rod end.

And....I bought another one...doh.
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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

To be honest with you my last 4 Jeeps havent been that great. But I keep coming back because I like the product.

Lot of little annoyances built up with my 2015 so far and with my 2010 SRT's. Little things here and there breaking.

Im not going to go into full detail with every jeep but heres a hint.

My 2015 SRT (bought new in May 2015):

Rattle which lead to the cats and catback being replaced because it was torquing and hitting the exhaust bracket.
Fuel filler neck being replaced because the pump would constantly click. Was so bad at one point I had to hold the nozzle upside down and fuel.
Fuel door is separating from the backing.
My nav needed replacement.
Had to go back for the rattle because it torqued again. (Been good so far)
And I have had 3 interior pieces fall off while driving (rear view mirror plastic) and 2 rear cargo trim pieces. lol

My 2010 SRT had quite a few issues. Worst of them all to me was needing 2 water pumps and 2 radiators. I was left on the side of the road 2 times.

And for those who remember way way back. My 07 Overland was just a piece of shit. Electrical gremlins are the devil.


I dont like Chrysler as a company because corporate has left me holding the bag a few times. My friend is a SRT tech so I dont have to worry about things being fixed. Just sucks that when one problem is solved, another pops up.

I like their products because to me nothing out there looks like these vehicles and the SRT brand is one of the best things to ever happen to Chrysler. But FCA needs to learn a thing or two about customer service. Corporate sucks ass. And many of their dealers do. Starting with Manhattan Jeep.
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Throughout my life I'm come across people who purchased British vehicles and motorcycles, and had the same problems that you've described. Especially regarding the electrical and assorted problematic electronical systems. Triumph and BSA motorcycles were all plagued with much the same. With their, "Lucas Get Home Before Dark" electric's.

I had a co worker in the early 80's who bought an MG, (one of those tinker toy little sports cars). I can't count the times I pulled over to pick him up on the side of the road going home from work. He finally got fed up and got rid of it. Once they had it for 3 weeks trying to trace a short that would drain the battery in less than 48 hours. They never found it. He told me the best invention they ever came up with for European cars was the Battery Tender. Because he knew he could at least make it home from work before the 10:00 O'clock news came on.

Another guy had an older Jaguar. Same deal. It was a coin toss if it would start or not after sitting for 3 days or more. It also leaked most every fluid contained in the engine and transmission. British Leyland electrical systems look like something that was cooked up on the Food Channel. Especially the older ones. Some with their 6 volt, positive ground, and other ass backwards electrical $h!t they managed to employ over the years. And it just seems they've never improved them in today's vehicles. This, going by the same type of electrical issues that keep popping up on the newer ones, like you've had trouble with. It's like a nightmare that just keeps getting worse.

I even read there was a guy in southern California who had a patent of sorts, on a system that would replace the driveline and electrical components on new Jaguars with a Chevy 350 V-8 and a GM transmission and Delco electrical components. He had a backlog of people waiting for the conversion who loved the "style" of the newer Jaguars, but didn't want all of the headaches associated with driving them. There has been just so much bad with these things, I would never allow myself to even consider owning one. I learned from everyone else's pain.

The British Leyland worker spent most of their time in strike than actually making car.... hahaha......




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Re: Grand Cherokee vs the new Range Rover Sport

I was down to an RR or a GC in my purchase decision. I loved everything about the Range Rover other than the lower towing capacity and the fact that the dealer was a lot farther away. Knowing the issues with RR reliability I decided I did not want to drive 30 minutes longer and be without a car for warranty work. Love my Overland in the end.
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WTF man?!!!!! X5 drivers not polite? WTF did you get this idea from !!!!!
Perhaps those in your neck of the woods are... in which case my apologies to the nearsighted, hard of hearing, little old granny lady that drives the only one in your area.

But pretty much from the Missouri River all the way to the Pacific Ocean, X5 drivers tend to be what Autoweek once termed the drivers of the Ultimate Dickhead Machine. Plus it tends to end up in the mountain ditches around here more often than Subies if you consider the far greater number of Subies vs X5s that tackle mountain roads in poor weather.
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^I think he was being sarcastic about BMW drivers lol
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But pretty much from the Missouri River all the way to the Pacific Ocean, X5 drivers tend to be what Autoweek once termed the drivers of the Ultimate Dickhead Machine.
Ultimate Dickhead Machine. I like that. No dipstick.... Just dickheads.
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Plus it tends to end up in the mountain ditches around here more often than Subies if you consider the far greater number of Subies vs X5s that tackle mountain roads in poor weather.
Why do Subarus tend to end up in ditches near you? Operator error or inadequate equipment?
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^I think he was being sarcastic about BMW drivers lol

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