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Handling the JGC on ice

I just got a 2015 Overland, my first SUV. I live in Northern Virginia and we don't get a lot of snow, but we do get hard packed snow and ice. Last week we had our first snow/ice storm. There wasn't much snow, but it was cold and the snow packed down into a hard surface as slick as ice. A couple of times, the rear tires started to slip sideways into the turn as I turned from a standing stop. I was able to counter steer and straighten out the JGC, but it seemed like a had a bit less stability than I do in my other cars. As far as I could tell, the stability control never activated. I got the 18" wheels with Michelin tires, because we have so many potholes and my car has already had one bent rim and two tires replaced with pothole damage. I didn't want the 20 " wheels.

Do i need to be more careful with the JGC than a standard sedan on ice or hard packed snow? I understand that the oem tires are all season and I'd have better traction with winter tires. But I've always had good luck with all season tires in the past.

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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

Ice is a sticky-wicket for almost any vehicle, unfortunately, and with the JGC you have a heavy piece of mass that's going to be more affected by this if there is no actual traction. Be sure you select "snow mode" to help a little as it starts you out in a higher gear to reduce wheel slippage. Tires do make a world of difference.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

Snow mode if it is slick and better tires.

The Michelins and Auto mode = death trap
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

Slowing down works wonders. Practice helps too. Try driving in an empty parking lot or similar to learn what your Jeep will do in different conditions.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

My assumption is you mean the rear went to the outside of the turn? For a left turn, if it slid right that would be inside.
I felt the same way till I ditched the tires. Even so, I felt no worse off than I did in my Subaru. Unless you use studs or chains, the hard pack with a glaze on top will make any car squirrelly.
That said, next time it does snow, you should take it to a parking lot and ensure the traction control and ASC are indeed reacting. Otherwise it's a trip to the dealer. I took mine out in it and played around with the settings only to find it is never truly off Not as fun.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

I agree with others to go into a parking lot and run a few test scenarios. You just got the JGC and it requires you to get to know it. A few times in that type of weather you will know how to handle and when to adjust.


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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

Sometimes the right conditions of snow/ humidity/ melt temperature can be worse than ice. If starting/ turning is bad then stopping will be worse. Go slow and always have a plan B.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

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I agree with others to go into a parking lot and run a few test scenarios. You just got the JGC and it requires you to get to know it. A few times in that type of weather you will know how to handle and when to adjust.


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And check the threads here for Michelin Latitude Tour suckage.

The V-8 isn't that hard to unsettle, particularly if you are heavy footed and turning from a stop. The V6 can be persuaded to step out a bit as well.

If this bothers you, think about what will happen when you try to use the brakes and turn.

Slow down or buy better tires--preferably real winter ones with the best traction options your state will allow. Studs are great, but there are some premium studless tires that are almost as good on glare ice, and just as good once you are moving.

Then, as others have noted, practice stopping. That is a heavy vehicle and 4wd ain't 4wstop. Worst case is downhill on ice/packed snow with water or slush.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

I live in Northern Virginia. The best ice tire I've bought was the Bridgestone model, the name of which I cannot recall, that I put on an Audi A6. On ice, the tires were superb. On dry pavement they were awful.

My 2007 Outback has Nokian WS G3 tires, which may be good choice for your Jeep. I've had Nokian tires on other vehicles and have been satisfied.

My 2014 Grand Cherokee with ORA-2 option has the oem Michelin Latitude tires which I do not recommend for icy conditions.
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I just got a 2015 Overland, my first SUV. I live in Northern Virginia and we don't get a lot of snow, but we do get hard packed snow and ice. Last week we had our first snow/ice storm. There wasn't much snow, but it was cold and the snow packed down into a hard surface as slick as ice. A couple of times, the rear tires started to slip sideways into the turn as I turned from a standing stop. I was able to counter steer and straighten out the JGC, but it seemed like a had a bit less stability than I do in my other cars. As far as I could tell, the stability control never activated. I got the 18" wheels with Michelin tires, because we have so many potholes and my car has already had one bent rim and two tires replaced with pothole damage. I didn't want the 20 " wheels.

Do i need to be more careful with the JGC than a standard sedan on ice or hard packed snow? I understand that the oem tires are all season and I'd have better traction with winter tires. But I've always had good luck with all season tires in the past.
The OEM 18" Michelin tires are garbage in all but dry conditions.
Like you I prefer the 18" wheels for a little more 'tire' suspension.

I went with the Goodyear Wrangler A/T Adventure w/kevlar tires in the OEM size. HUGE difference in traction in the snow and ice.
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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

If the REAR end was sliding sideways, I don't think the traction control is going to be able to do much about it. It suggests to me your speed and mass exceed the grip of the tires.

If you have actual ice on the road, I'd consider a dedicated set of snow tires or at least a better AS/AT tire or chains.

As others have noted, the JGC is heavy, which suggests there are more forces at play when going around a corner than in a lighter vehicle.

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Re: Handling the JGC on ice

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And check the threads here for Michelin Latitude Tour suckage.

The V-8 isn't that hard to unsettle, particularly if you are heavy footed and turning from a stop. The V6 can be persuaded to step out a bit as well.

If this bothers you, think about what will happen when you try to use the brakes and turn.

Slow down or buy better tires--preferably real winter ones with the best traction options your state will allow. Studs are great, but there are some premium studless tires that are almost as good on glare ice, and just as good once you are moving.

Then, as others have noted, practice stopping. That is a heavy vehicle and 4wd ain't 4wstop. Worst case is downhill on ice/packed snow with water or slush.
This ^! I still have my Michelin Latitudes, fine for spring summer and fall, but bad news in winter I found out. Bought Hankook I Pikes last year (dedicated snow/winter tires) and the jeep will go through un-plowed roads like you would not believe, they also provide the best go/stop/turn on hard packed snow/ice you can get short of studs or chains. As has been said, heavy vehicle but in "snow mode" with the right tires it has to be the most "sure footed" 4 wheel drive vehicle I have owned so far including suv's and pickups set up for snow plowing also. Michelin MS'2 are a great year round tire also. Good luck, Dave
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